actually UPS giving you a smaller check gives them bigger profits.
Government run "anything"......
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1989
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Come on, don't be an idiot.
1989
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Numbers please.
mondragon is not the ideal coop model, but its got an inequality top to bottom of 8x or 12x the lowest paid worker. its also the 8th biggest corporation in spain if i recall.
heres the first article i found on arizmendi:
Alvarado Street uses whole grain and organic ingredients whenever possible and sells to natural food stores as well as large supermarkets that package Alvarado St. bread under their own labels.
Joseph Tuck, the CEO of Alvarado Street said that worker-owners’ salaries range between $57,000 and $63,000 a year. Clearly, the democratic model of worker ownership honors a substantial living wage. The highest salary approved in their system could reach 3 times the lowest salary, but no one is currently receiving that high a wage. With revenues of $24.6 million in 2009, Alvarado St. has proven that worker ownership thrives, even in an economic downturn.
Alvarado St. offers a robust medical plan that includes dental and vision. Workers pay $30 per month for a family plan and $10 per month for a single. Fourteen percent of Alvarado St. profits go into 401k plans for workers. They do not have to match the contributions.
San Francisco’s Rainbow Grocery, the largest worker-owned supermarket in California, won SF’s Bay Guardian 2010 award for best Bay Area grocery store. What began as a small collective in 1975 today employs 239 worker-owners. Kasper Koczab, who was Steering Committee Secretary at Rainbow and is now working for the Network of Bay Area Worker Coops, said that Rainbow was strictly worker-owned and not a consumer coop. One worker-owner equals one share and one vote. Rainbow Grocery has outgrown its premises three times and has had to move to larger quarters or add nearby space. Rainbow also offers an excellent healthcare plan that includes preventative care, fitness and even massage.
Representatives of the worker-owned businesses noted how difficult it is to get loans for these types of enterprises. When there is no designated owner, banks are reluctant to lend money. Consequently, Rainbow Grocery has paid cash for all of its expansions.
Worker-owned businesses even have a support group in the Bay Area, the U.S. Federation of Worker Cooperatives. Their stated purpose is to support the growth and development of worker-owned cooperatives. They sponsor workshops, conferences, resources and networking opportunities for new and established cooperatives. Melissa Hoover, the executive director of the federation, is also on the board of the Arizmendi Association of Cooperatives.
The five Arizmendi Bakeries, including the Cheeseboard in Berkeley, are famous for their pizzas, pastries and breads. Labeled “socialist scones” in a Salon.com article, the Arizmendi bakeries emerged from a study group that was learning about the Mondragón Cooperatives in Spain. Father Don Jose Maria Arizmendi, the founder of the Mondragón Cooperatives, inspired the name.
Hoover said that the mission of the Arizmendi coops “is to create as many living wage jobs as possible and to offer significant opportunities for personal and professional development.” With more than 100 worker-owners, the Arizmendi Association is planning to expand their businesses beyond bakeries, maybe even branching out into finance.
While the Bay Area may have much in common with Europe, we have also been raised with the same competitive values as other Americans. We value innovation and creativity and these qualities are needed in both private businesses and cooperatives. Clearly, worker-owned businesses in the Bay Area are competitive with private businesses and are highly creative and innovative. What sets cooperatives apart is their focus on sharing the wealth, supporting each other, and responsibly living within limits on a planet with limits.
For those who claim worker-ownership can only develop in countries sympathetic to socialist ideas or cultures where cooperation is highly valued, the success of worker-owned businesses in the Bay Area and in many other parts of the US demonstrate that people who are motivated by sharing the wealth and creating jobs can create coops anywhere. The resources listed below can help those interested in learning more about worker-owned businesses:
www.usworker.coop
www.arizmenibakery.org
www.alvaradostreetbakery.com
www.rainbowgrocery.org
Video presentations of the people cited in this article
An entry on the Mondragón Cooperatives
serious there was no charge, and they just called the rental company after.
HAHA you should know of all people! you work for them! how much are they profiting off you per hour? what if its ALOT? how do you know your getting a good or bad deal?
1989
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I can't quantify it. I am paid much better than any co op I know. Give me the numbers at which you speak of. That is where you utterly fail in all your posts.HAHA you should know of all people! you work for them! how much are they profiting off you per hour? what if its ALOT? how do you know your getting a good or bad deal?
arizmendi bakery in frisco. this articles 7 years old so you have to adjust for inflation.
Arizmendi Serving Up Jobs With Ownership in the Mission » MissionLocal
Over the summer, staff members from the worker-owned and operated cooperative recruited, trained, and hired 15 Mission District residents who will have the opportunity to become owners. Community-based organizations helped with the outreach and many of those chosen are immigrant community organizers....
These aren’t just any jobs. After six months of intensive training in business finance, organizational skills and food production, employees become worker-owners and are expected to buy into the business, essentially sealing their ownership to the bakery.
The new owners decide their wages and benefits. At Arizmendi on Lakeshore Avenue in Oakland, a 12-year-old worker cooperative, members make $19.65 an hour, have full medical and dental benefits, and get four weeks of vacation a year.
your not supposed to be able to, because then you might find out the capitalists are ripping you off.
soooo whats UPS paying you? lol it was $28 2 years ago for me.
BEHOLD lol. this article is 3 years old:
Who Needs a Boss?
If you happen to be looking for your morning coffee near Golden Gate Park and the bright red storefront of the Arizmendi Bakery attracts your attention, congratulations. You have found what the readers of The San Francisco Bay Guardian, a local alt-weekly, deem the city’s best bakery. But it has another, less obvious, distinction. Of the $3.50 you hand over for a latte (plus $2.75 for the signature sourdough croissant), not one penny ends up in the hands of a faraway investor. Nothing goes to anyone who might be tempted to sell out to a larger bakery chain or shutter the business if its quarterly sales lag.
Instead, your money will go more or less directly to its 20-odd bakers, who each make $24 an hour — more than double the national median wage for bakers. On top of that, they get health insurance, paid vacation and a share of the profits. “It’s not luxury, but I can sort of afford living in San Francisco,” says Edhi Rotandi, a baker at Arizmendi. He works four days a week and spends the other days with his 2-year-old son.
Arizmendi and its five sister bakeries in the Bay Area are worker-owned cooperatives, an age-old business model that has lately attracted renewed interest as a possible antidote to some of our most persistent economic ills. Most co-ops in the U.S. are smaller than Arizmendi, with around a dozen employees, but the largest, Cooperative Home Care Associates in the Bronx, has about 2,000. That’s hardly the organizational structure’s upper limit. In fact, Arizmendi was named for a Spanish priest and labor organizer in Basque country, José María Arizmendiarrieta. He founded what eventually became the Mondragon Corporation, now one of the region’s biggest employers, with more than 60,000 members and 14 billion euro in revenue. And it’s still a co-op.
In a worker co-op, the workers own the business and decide what to do with the profits (as opposed to consumer co-ops, which are typically stores owned by members who shop at a discount). Historically, worker co-ops have held the most appeal when things seem most perilous for laborers. The present is no exception. And yet, despite their ability to empower workers, co-ops remain largely relegated to boutique status in the United States.
1989
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So they get 40% less pay. 50% less vacation? Says nothing about retirement or a retirement age. And doesn't say anything about the cost to "buy into the business". They are getting royally screwed.
1989
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I could not afford to work there. No vacation, medical, pension/retirement either?
BrownArmy
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Hypocrite.
Why you buying 'slave made' anything, brah?
Have you checked out China's human-rights record?
You're so full of
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BrownArmy
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FFS, stop cutting and pasting.
Catatonic
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Over 60% of UPS revenue is for employee pay
JL 0513
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So that we can all live in poverty except for those that rule over us in government. Because that's what always happens.
JL 0513
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And most of the rest is to pay for the massive infrastructure. Buildings, trucks, planes, energy, supplies, etc.
isnt america heading towards something close to that anyways
JL 0513
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Only if we move further away from capitalism. Richest country for the most in history for one big reason. Capitalism.
