Ground Folks: Reactions to Delivering Express

Mutineer

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And as was noted earlier it'll only go on for so long until that reservoir of healthy young labor willing to go out there and kill themselves for half the wages and zero benefits is pumped dry.
This is not a problem. Everyone who says it is lives in a "holler", or in an economically declining area where the residents are leaving. Every slave-waging employer's wet dream lies in the abundantly fertile, indiscriminate loins of future United States residents crossing northbound at our southern border.

Fred, Jeff, Bill, Mark, other megalomaniacs, and their petty disciples are surely giddy with ecstasy.
 

yadig

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“Oh! They will never send Express through Ground!”

If they’ve started and had limited success, why wouldn’t they continue to address the failures and move more and more to Ground?

I see absolutely no way this moves back the other way in any meaningful way.
I agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
 

Cactus

Just telling it like it is
I agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
Name some Express contractors. Tell ‘em to come on here and get acquainted. We sure don’t know them.
 

Gone fishin

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I agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
You realize if express became ground there would be no service commitment at all. The idea that a express “CONTRACTOR “ could move freight from point A to B in 24 hours would be next to impossible.
While express still has its fair amount of turnover it’s not close to ground and it’s erratic staffing. There’s no days to get it right at express , there’s hours.
They’re two completely different animals
 

yadig

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You realize if express became ground there would be no service commitment at all. The idea that a express “CONTRACTOR “ could move freight from point A to B in 24 hours would be next to impossible.
While express still has its fair amount of turnover it’s not close to ground and it’s erratic staffing. There’s no days to get it right at express , there’s hours.
They’re two completely different animals
Maybe. I believe that ground is going to move as much as it possibly can. Express will be part time work. We had 8 ground trailers moved yesterday at our ramp. We even had our drivers deliver 2 trailers. We’re flying the packages to make the commit time and ground delivers them. It’s really simple and it will eventually happen.
 

MAKAVELI

Banned
Maybe. I believe that ground is going to move as much as it possibly can. Express will be part time work. We had 8 ground trailers moved yesterday at our ramp. We even had our drivers deliver 2 trailers. We’re flying the packages to make the commit time and ground delivers them. It’s really simple and it will eventually happen.
I highly doubt that. They would be risking losing their rla status.
 

zeev

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wI agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
It’s a package Ground is cheap put Ground packages on a plane no one would know or care ,most Express packages never see a plane.
 

Gone fishin

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Maybe. I believe that ground is going to move as much as it possibly can. Express will be part time work. We had 8 ground trailers moved yesterday at our ramp. We even had our drivers deliver 2 trailers. We’re flying the packages to make the commit time and ground delivers them. It’s really simple and it will eventually happen.
You realize people don’t have part time bills. Part timers are for college kids and semi retired people. Those that aren’t those two are looking for full time work.
Express is held together by full timers , we have very few part timers. Remember this entire company is built behind the idea of a quick delivery. It’s the heart and soul of this company. Without it , there’s nothing this company can hang its hat on
 

yadig

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You realize people don’t have part time bills. Part timers are for college kids and semi retired people. Those that aren’t those two are looking for full time work.
Express is held together by full timers , we have very few part timers. Remember this entire company is built behind the idea of a quick delivery. It’s the heart and soul of this company. Without it , there’s nothing this company can hang its hat on
You’re living in the past. They will hv full time contractors doing the work. I could also see pay incentives for time commitments made and productivity. They are feeling the pressure to combine the two and they aren’t gonna make ground driver’s employees. They hv slowly chipped away at our benefits for years! You better hv a back up plan, I do
 

yadig

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Name some Express contractors. Tell ‘em to come on here and get acquainted. We sure don’t know them.
Have you ever been to the Memphis hub? It’s mostly contractors that move freight by truck now. It’s still a few years off, but it’s coming
 

yadig

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You realize people don’t have part time bills. Part timers are for college kids and semi retired people. Those that aren’t those two are looking for full time work.
Express is held together by full timers , we have very few part timers. Remember this entire company is built behind the idea of a quick delivery. It’s the heart and soul of this company. Without it , there’s nothing this company can hang its hat on
They don’t care bout people! Just look at the average ground drivis comp
 

Gone fishin

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They don’t care bout people! Just look at the average ground drivis comp
It doesn’t matter that they don’t care , it matters that you can employ people to keep your business successful. Could I hire you for 8 dollars an hour ? Probably not.
 

Cheesypurpletees

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I agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
Completely violating the RLA agreement probably wouldn’t sit well with those in congress who write employment laws
 

It will be fine

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Completely violating the RLA agreement probably wouldn’t sit well with those in congress who write employment laws
Does it really matter if a small workforce of part time drivers have the option to unionize station by station? If they move the bulk of deliveries to Ground there won’t be many remaining courier positions at Express.
 

bacha29

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12-15ish one way.
You're putting me on.... right? Where I am 70 one way is nothing. And if you lucky enough to have a decent 2 lane (no interstate) highway to run those 70 miles on you're a lucky chap. An it's like I told you, in my area I was lucky in one regard in the sense that the stem was 26 miles one way if you went in a straight line. Only trouble that stem had 480 miles of rural carrier miles wrapped around it which went right along with the rest. That's why the engineers couldn't understand the mileage totals. They never factored in the R.D.'s .
 

dmac1

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They’ll think something when we lose profits because of this idiotic plan
Ground contractors- not FEDEX pay all the cost of hiring and training new drivers and buying additional fuel and vehicles if needed for no extra expense to fedex. Just by requiring that packages be delivered after a second sort, fedex dumps the cost on contractors. IF IF IF there is something in the contract that says fedex
must get all package to contractors by some certain time, the contractor could choose to delay service BUT then risk non-renewal for making fedex unhappy. Fedex does NOT have to give ANY reason for non-renewal, which is why I place the value of having the contract as minimal.
 

dmac1

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I agree! I’ve always said that express will eventually be like ground, It’s Fred’s dream! You don’t hv to worry about the RLA when all you’re employees are contractors!
Except that if individual ground contractors get big enough, the unions might become interested again. The teamsters were involved way back when terminals only had 10-20 'contractors, while now, if there end up being multiple sorts and dispatches throughout the day, there will be MANY MANY contractors with more than that many drivers.
 
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