Harambe-The silver back gorilla

[542thruNthru]

I blame the Zoo gorilla enclosure designers.
WTF were they thinking?
Keeping costs down?
It doesn't cost that much to put up a 4 foot fence.

Now I haven't done any research on how long the gorilla enclosure has been there or how many people visit this zoo a year but I would say maybe a million people have been to that enclosure and this has never happen. So I can't blame the zoo for a parent losing track of there kid. What if he just would have ran out in front of one of the bus tour things or something? Should they have fencing everywhere so you cant leave a 5 foot wide path anywhere in the zoo?

 

[Turdferguson]

Done

Does me no good I can't change my vote now.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Does me no good I can't change my vote now.

Good Good.

 

[oldngray]

Does me no good I can't change my vote now.

Vote early. Vote often. It's the Democratic way.

 

[Catatonic]

Now I haven't done any research on how long the gorilla enclosure has been there or how many people visit this zoo a year but I would say maybe a million people have been to that enclosure and this has never happen. So I can't blame the zoo for a parent losing track of there kid. What if he just would have ran out in front of one of the bus tour things or something? Should they have fencing everywhere so you cant leave a 5 foot wide path anywhere in the zoo?

This might help then ...
... a 4-year-old boy went over a stainless steel rail that's a little more than 3 feet high, with vertical bars every eight feet. He made his way through the bushes to the edge of the moat, a distance of approximately 4 feet. From there, he dropped 15 feet to the moat, into a foot and a half of water.

 

[Big Arrow Down...D]

Who made the poll?
Gotta be @Turdferguson....gotta be.

 

[542thruNthru]

This might help then ...
... a 4-year-old boy went over a stainless steel rail that's a little more than 3 feet high, with vertical bars every eight feet. He made his way through the bushes to the edge of the moat, a distance of approximately 4 feet. From there, he dropped 15 feet to the moat, into a foot and a half of water.
> Key to me is the fact there was no fence (just a 3 foot rail) between humans and 15 foot drop to moat and consequently, the gorillas:
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I understand how it went down. The issue I'm having is I don't see how you can blame the zoo when probably a million people a year go to this exhibit and this has never happened. If the kid was to crawl into your backyard and get attacked by your dog do you think you should be sued for that?

 

[Sportello]

I understand how it went down. The issue I'm having is I don't see how you can blame the zoo when probably a million people a year go to this exhibit and this has never happened. If the kid was to crawl into your backyard and get attacked by your dog do you think you should be sued for that?

If I charged him money to get in, darn straight. If he broke in, not so much.

 

[Catatonic]

I understand how it went down. The issue I'm having is I don't see how you can blame the zoo when probably a million people a year go to this exhibit and this has never happened. If the kid was to crawl into your backyard and get attacked by your dog do you think you should be sued for that?

I don't have a dog but I do have a pool and surrounding it are 4 foot fences or higher with a minimum of 4 inches between vertical supports.
Both gates have childproof locks at least 5 feet off the ground.

PS - I don't charge people to come see my pool or my cat ... when one charges and invites the public, there are more legal and moral responsibilities.

I don't think anyone was culpable but simple analysis begs for better improvements to protect humans that have minimal judgment (4 or 3 year old). I don't think we feel that differently about this but once a "defect" is found and the probability and impact analysis is performed, a solution should be effected.

And you may be right ... maybe the National Zoo Guidelines were conformed to and the Cincy Zoo may do nothing.

I think I reacted more to the absurdity of blaming a mother for losing physical contact with her son while she is taking a picture.

 

[542thruNthru]

I don't have a dog but I do have a pool and surrounding it are 4 foot fences or higher with a minimum of 4 inches between vertical supports.
Both gates have childproof locks at least 5 feet off the ground.

PS - I don't charge people to come see my pool or my cat ... when one charges and invites the public, there are more legal and moral responsibilities.

I don't think anyone was culpable but simple analysis begs for better improvements to protect humans that have minimal judgment (4 or 3 year old). I don't think we feel that differently about this but once a "defect" is found and the probability and impact analysis is performed, a solution should be effected.

And you may be right ... maybe the National Zoo Guidelines were conformed to and the Cincy Zoo may do nothing.

I think I reacted more to the absurdity of blaming a mother for losing physical contact with her son while she is taking a picture.

I am not blaming the mother. I have a kid I know how quickly they can disappear. I also don't think she should be allowed to sue the zoo for what is technically her fault. Everything I read Said the Kid snuck under and crawled through the bushes. It didn't say he jumped the fence and ran through and jumped over. To me sneaking in takes more than the time to take a picture. All I think is both sides have already suffered. The mother learned a lesson about how quickly things can go wrong. The zoo learned a lesson also and lost a gorilla.

 

[Operational needs]

I don't have a dog but I do have a pool and surrounding it are 4 foot fences or higher with a minimum of 4 inches between vertical supports.
Both gates have childproof locks at least 5 feet off the ground.

PS - I don't charge people to come see my pool or my cat ... when one charges and invites the public, there are more legal and moral responsibilities.

I don't think anyone was culpable but simple analysis begs for better improvements to protect humans that have minimal judgment (4 or 3 year old). I don't think we feel that differently about this but once a "defect" is found and the probability and impact analysis is performed, a solution should be effected.

And you may be right ... maybe the National Zoo Guidelines were conformed to and the Cincy Zoo may do nothing.

I think I reacted more to the absurdity of blaming a mother for losing physical contact with her son while she is taking a picture.

I disagree. When I chose to have my kids it was with the thought that the basic safety of my kids is MY responsibility and not the responsibility of society. Now if an animal escaped from their enclosure, hell yeah I'd sue. But the fact that the parents failed to control their child should not be cause for a lawsuit. We cannot fence the world to protect our children. At some point parents have to be held responsible.

 

[542thruNthru]

If I charged him money to get in, darn straight. If he broke in, not so much.

So every MLB and NFL stadium should be sued for not having high enough fences to keep fans out. So when they are tackled or tazered they should be paid money. I mean you bought a ticket right?

 

[oldngray]

So every MLB and NFL stadium should be sued for not having high enough fences to keep fans out. So when they are tackled or tazered they should be paid money. I mean you bought a ticket right?

Or when some drunken idiot falls off the upper deck is it the stadium's fault?

 

[542thruNthru]

Or when some drunken idiot falls off the upper deck is it the stadium's fault?

YES! They shouldn't sell beer! Don't they know that's the Devils juice! (Kidding)

 

[oldngray]

• USDA requires wildlife perimeter fences 6-8 feet high
• Exhibit trenches take away fencing requirements

Federal regulations from the USDA require zoos to have a 6-foot fence for primates and smaller animals including foxes and bobcats. For larger predators including lions and bears - the fences must be 8 feet.

USDA regulations don't require any fencing as long as there's a natural barrier, such as a trench, surrounding the exhibit
Examining safety around Columbus Zoo and Aquarium animal enclosures

 

[Operational needs]

PICTURED: The parents-of-four whose son fell into gorilla enclosure

I don't understand why this newspaper felt the need to post about the father's criminal history. It has no relevance whatsoever to what happened at the zoo.

 

[Awakened the Force I Have]

You know good and well Harambe, would have a better mom, than that poor kid's human mother.

Toss me your baby....
Good, Good.

 

[oldngray]

I don't understand why this newspaper felt the need to post about the father's criminal history. It has no relevance whatsoever to what happened at the zoo.

The father did have a criminal history but seems to have straightened out his life and is working at a steady job now.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I don't understand why this newspaper felt the need to post about the father's criminal history. It has no relevance whatsoever to what happened at the zoo.

They made a big deal over it. He wasn't even at the zoo.

 

[Operational needs]

They made a big deal over it. He wasn't even at the zoo.

Shoddy sensationalism just to pump up the story.