realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
They said Trump would win Indiana by 15%.
He won by more.
Still pretty close if you ask me.
Here we go again, RASSMUSSEN putting out B.S. Polls....
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He won by more.
Still pretty close if you ask me.
newfie
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I'm not the one claiming to know how many times who buzzes who.
stumped you huh?
teamer
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which requires allowing the plane to fly close enough to be a threat in order for us to see they are unarmed.
...and?
If that's what you are offering?
teamer
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broken link
Sorry. In short, it says the boat was never in any danger from a couple Russian fighters. No electronic signaled suggested they were being targeted, no indication it was part of a larger incoming wave. Likelihood that one or two fighters would come that close, attack and return over hundreds of miles of NATO controlled area.
Said it would have been more alarming if they had been approached by a civilian aircraft because that would suggest a terrorist suicide attack.
It's not like these jets somehow sneak up on the US Navy. The pilots are alive today because they represented an annoyance, not a threat.
BrownArmy
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Another way to look at the Russian 'fly-by' is to look at North Korea.
They grab whatever attention they can. If they get out of the news, they fabricate news, or launch a missile, or announce plans to put a satellite in orbit (as if).
Russia is in a pretty bad way right now, and its economics aren't the only problem.
Obama doesn't take them seriously (but seriously enough to redouble NATO efforts after that idiot 'Top-Gun' flyby crap), the E.U. doesn't take them seriously (Russia isn't helping with Syria, or the migrant problem, or Turkey, etc.), basically no one takes Russia seriously.
So they do a fly-by (unarmed) for the press.
Russia's in a hole, and a fly-by won't get them out of it.
They grab whatever attention they can. If they get out of the news, they fabricate news, or launch a missile, or announce plans to put a satellite in orbit (as if).
Russia is in a pretty bad way right now, and its economics aren't the only problem.
Obama doesn't take them seriously (but seriously enough to redouble NATO efforts after that idiot 'Top-Gun' flyby crap), the E.U. doesn't take them seriously (Russia isn't helping with Syria, or the migrant problem, or Turkey, etc.), basically no one takes Russia seriously.
So they do a fly-by (unarmed) for the press.
Russia's in a hole, and a fly-by won't get them out of it.
Sportello
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This is why the Navy didn't shoot down Russian jets
This is why the Navy didn't shoot down Russian jets
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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There was no reason to even consider shooting down either of the jets as they obviously did not intend to cause harm; however, they clearly had no business flying that close to our ship.
Babagounj
Strength through joy
I think you might be mistaken about what obama thinks of Russia .Another way to look at the Russian 'fly-by' is to look at North Korea.
They grab whatever attention they can. If they get out of the news, they fabricate news, or launch a missile, or announce plans to put a satellite in orbit (as if).
Russia is in a pretty bad way right now, and its economics aren't the only problem.
Obama doesn't take them seriously (but seriously enough to redouble NATO efforts after that idiot 'Top-Gun' flyby crap), the E.U. doesn't take them seriously (Russia isn't helping with Syria, or the migrant problem, or Turkey, etc.), basically no one takes Russia seriously.
So they do a fly-by (unarmed) for the press.
Russia's in, and a fly-by won't get them out of it.
It is Russia that does not take obama seriously .
Case in point the Ukrainian Crisis of 2014 where Russia invaded and obama refused to do anything about it .
What should we have done?
Started wwIII for a reason that doesnt concern us? So far, russia hasnt invaded ukraine.
This is a Ukrainian problem, not ours. Why send our people there to spill our blood for a country that has nothing to do with us?
You sofachair generals think arming and attacking is the only answer.
Look at Russia in Syria, they ran out of money and had to get out all on their own. We didnt have to do crap about it.
Same with Ukraine.
They will run out of money and be forced to leave.
But you, would rather run up this country deficits, spend money we dont have, kill our young men and women for nothing.
Yeah, thats brave.
TOS.
newfie
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good thing to know the Russians would only fight us using predictable methodology. This highlights why Obama is the laughing stock of the world. if a Russian plane buzzes our ships it should be shot down. There is no acceptable explanation for a Russian fighter plane to buzz our ships other then complete disrespect for us and our navy.
newfie
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That's usually the Obama defense to defend doing nothing. He makes the worst case scenario argument. Congrats on having the most recent copy of the talking points.
Obama could have chosen to arm the Ukrainians. he could have chosen to move missile defense systems and other assets back into Poland. he could have parked a significant portion of the us navy in Putins backyard and asked Putin how far he wanted to push this game. Instead he has weakened and destabilized the entire region and increased our chances of Russia further escalating efforts to restore the soviet union states back into their control.
Sportello
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#allieslivesmatter
The stupidity of these thoughts is alarming.
Let's say we shot the plane down. The optics alone to the world would be horrible for the usa, considering the planes were unarmed and posing no threat.
They were in international waters and the Russian planes are free to fly where ever they wish, now , they probably shouldn't have buzzed our ships, but the hotdog did so and that doesn't call for a death sentence.
Using your stupid logic, we shoot the plane down, then a Russian sub in the area sinks our ship killing a couple hundred sailors.
Yeah, you're the smart one in this situation.
You would rather get a couple hundred sailors killed over one hot dog Russian pilot, I stead of just leaving it alone.
The power of suggestion can make a simple person into an military idiot all day long in America.
"Yeah, shoot it down, were the smart ones"...
Think about it Newfie.
TOS
Again, another arm chair general who hasn't thought this out thoroughly.
Using your logic, we will arm the Ukraine's, but who are they? Which Ukraine's do you want to arm? How would we control who got the weapons?
What weapons do you want to give to them? Do you actually think small arms will be enough to hold off the Russian military?
What happens to the arms once we deliver them?
Have we not learned our lessons from arming rebels in Syria? How's that arming programming working out for the USA?
Why you arm chair generals listen to the suggestions from fox news military surrogates is beyond understanding.
On one hand, you are complaining about the national debt skyrocketing, and on the other hand, you want us to arm another nation with equilibrium to fight a superpower and the cost would be in the tens of millions of dollars that the USA just doesn't have.
But that is simple right wing deficit spending mentality. Just out it on the credit card.
As if one round of weapon drops would be enough to sustain anyone against the Russian military.
Like morons, you would want to give the Ukraine's whoever that would be technology to shoot down planes blow up tanks, blow up APC's only to find out, that all that equipment would probably end up being sold on the black market to real terrorists for big bucks.
But you, in the comforts of your Midwestern trailer park know what's better than the state department of the USA or the defense department.
You got it all figured out bro, not.
TOS
