How bummed are the “Vote No” guys gonna be when the contract passed due to poor turnout.

[Bad Gas!]

Typical American style
Not with with either side: company, union don't vote...Just like our US elections...Don't like either party: don't vote....It's a shame..Members could've got a better deal. Maybe in 5 years when Hoffa is old news..

 

[Laguna Preload]

Yup I said it.

About as bummed as all those who didn’t vote here in California when they see there pay raised to $12 an hour January 1st before UPS can even give them $13. When they see this on there check they will instantly realize they just got screwed and will wish they would have voted.
They will be bummed every single year of this rejected contract as they see there pay stay just a lttile bit above minimum wage.
My hats off to you UPS and IBT you played this one beautifuly.

 

[1989]

About as bummed as UPS when they can’t figure out why all the people that didn’t vote are gone and few are applying because they are all over at amazon making $15 an hour with benefits.

Many ex ups managers are running amazon operations.

 

[LagunaBrown]

About as bummed as all those who didn’t vote here in California when they see there pay raised to $12 an hour January 1st before UPS can even give them $13. When they see this on there check they will instantly realize they just got screwed and will wish they would have voted.
They will be bummed every single year of this rejected contract as they see there pay stay just a lttile bit above minimum wage.
My hats off to you UPS and IBT you played this one beautifuly.

You are from our local, did you not see all the get the vote out flyers that were handed out? It was not for lack of effort. People just don’t care. Read the flag it talks about apathy.

 

[LagunaBrown]

About as bummed as UPS when they can’t figure out why all the people that didn’t vote are gone and few are applying because they are all over at amazon making $15 an hour with benefits.

It was obvious this was gonna happen.

 

[Sum Gai]

If you wanted the contract to pass wouldn't the optimal strategy be to not vote at all? If 100% of the votes were no but only 40% turned out none of those votes matter. Voting yes can actually backfire if those votes would send it over the minimum amount of turnout before no votes start mattering (If there was 60% turnout and 70% voted no, if all those who wanted it to pass had not voted at all the contract would pass instead of being rejected).

Since low turnout is common in democratic politics (Two places that have the highest % of voter turnout in the world is Australia where it is compulsory and Vietnam which is a one party state) I'm not surprised. I'm also sure why someone thought a rule like that was a good idea.

 

[Laguna Preload]

You are from our local, did you not see all the get the vote out flyers that were handed out? It was not for lack of effort. People just don’t care. Read the flag it talks about apathy.
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That is true our local did everything within its power to make sure people could vote.

 

[browndevil]

How did he not know about the constitution? It didn’t get voted down.

And why did his own Local vote Yes?

 

[LagunaBrown]

And why did his own Local vote Yes?

Are the local results out?

 

[bowhnterdon]

Are the local results out?

Here is a question that you might have an answer for. Why were the 2013 supplements not enforced from the start like they are doing now?I am certain those supplements did not have 50% participation in 2013 either

 

[browndevil]

Are the local results out?

I think someone posted it either here or on Facebook

 

[LagunaBrown]

I think someone posted it either here or on Facebook

I am willing to bet if these guys spent less time on Browncafe and more time getting the vote out, their Local would be over 50% in voters. Seriously, I bet most people complaining here did not even get 50% turnout in their local but blame the IBTs for everything.

 

[cachmeifucan]

I'm bummed that enough people didn't vote but here in cago we still get to vote and now we know that a non vote is a yes vote it should be interesting. I highly doubt we vote soon I'm sure they will wait until after supplements are forced on everyone. And peak is gone and we loose our leverage. Best thing is I know our national teamsters pres probably won't run again.

 

[Time for change]

And why did his own Local vote Yes?

On master? Not sure about that, better double check.

 

[cachmeifucan]

I'm bummed that enough people didn't vote but here in cago we still get to vote and now we know that a non vote is a yes vote it should be interesting. I highly doubt we vote soon I'm sure they will wait until after supplements are forced on everyone. And peak is gone and we loose our leverage. Best thing is I know our national teamsters pres probably won't run again.

You can't make up words now

 

[Integrity]

I'm bummed that enough people didn't vote but here in cago we still get to vote and now we know that a non vote is a yes vote it should be interesting. I highly doubt we vote soon I'm sure they will wait until after supplements are forced on everyone. And peak is gone and we loose our leverage. Best thing is I know our national teamsters pres probably won't run again.

A non vote is not a yes vote.

 

[LagunaBrown]

A non vote is not a yes vote.

If under 50% votes.

 

[Integrity]

If under 50% votes.

That is not true.

Non votes are not counted as yes votes.

 

[LagunaBrown]

That is not true.

Non votes are not counted as yes votes.

They are not physically counted but the contract gets ratified (passes) if under the 50% threshold. So non votes do help to pass a contract if under 50% of the members vote.

 

[Integrity]

They are not physically counted but the contract gets ratified (passes) if under the 50% threshold. So non votes do help to pass a contract if under 50% of the members vote.

True.

Not voting is disgraceful.

I agree and support the IBT Constitution.

I emphatically disagree with not voting.