Hubs not implementing 22.4

[Griffin1820]

From what I'm told this is true in my area but may not be true for areas with FT cover drivers

We dont have part time or Temporary Cover Drivers. If you deliver ground your either a full time " bid route" or " unassigned" seniority driver or your in the 30 in process to gain seniority. With the exception of Christmas peak

 

[Inthegame]

He said...

He doesn't have Sat delivery where he is so the company can not hire 22.4 in his building till they start a Sat delivery.

You said...

That is completely false. There is no restrictions for creating a 22.4 driver except for the current 25% maximum that can be changed at anytime. They can work any consecutive 5 days including m-friend exclusively driving.

Yet the proposed language states...

Section 4. (b). Full-Time Combination Drivers
All existing regular full-time package car drivers (RPCD) shall be considered RPCD drivers for the purpose of this Section. The Union and Company commit to protect existing RPCDs from being scheduled or forced to perform weekend delivery work and increasing the number of full-time opportunities for part-time employees. To achieve these objectives, the Company may create full-time 22.4 combination driving jobs. Such jobs may include inside work. In the event the Company utilizes this classification, the following shall apply only to those buildings that include Saturday or Sunday delivery.



But you weren't done yet...

There is no restrictions on what 5 days they work.

and

There are no restrictions
Its not in the proposed language.
Article 22-Full-Time Combination and Part-Time Employees - UPS Rising
http://ibt.io/22.4b

And yet that pesky proposed language you posted states the restriction you claim isn't there.

1. All 22.4 combination drivers shall be guaranteed eight (8) consecutive hours of straight time pay per day, if reporting as scheduled. All 22.4 combination drivers shall work a five (5) consecutive day schedule of Tuesday through Saturday or Wednesday through Sunday. This paragraph shall supersede any Supplement, Rider, or Addendum on the same subject.

One loses credibility fast when one is inaccurate. Either you don't understand what you read or you're intentionally trying to mislead.
I wonder what it is?

 

[Griffin1820]

No article 37 protection is a deal breaker

Do we know what the new article 37 language is? It says section 1 B and C shall not apply.

 

[542thruNthru]

He said...



You said...



Yet the proposed language states...

Section 4. (b). Full-Time Combination Drivers
All existing regular full-time package car drivers (RPCD) shall be considered RPCD drivers for the purpose of this Section. The Union and Company commit to protect existing RPCDs from being scheduled or forced to perform weekend delivery work and increasing the number of full-time opportunities for part-time employees. To achieve these objectives, the Company may create full-time 22.4 combination driving jobs. Such jobs may include inside work. In the event the Company utilizes this classification, the following shall apply only to those buildings that include Saturday or Sunday delivery.



But you weren't done yet...

and


And yet that pesky proposed language you posted states the restriction you claim isn't there.

1. All 22.4 combination drivers shall be guaranteed eight (8) consecutive hours of straight time pay per day, if reporting as scheduled. All 22.4 combination drivers shall work a five (5) consecutive day schedule of Tuesday through Saturday or Wednesday through Sunday. This paragraph shall supersede any Supplement, Rider, or Addendum on the same subject.

One loses credibility fast when one is inaccurate. Either you don't understand what you read or you're intentionally trying to mislead.
I wonder what it is?

Thank you, I think.

I saw the first language but didn't want to point it out being that I felt it could be interpreted different ways.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Do we know what the new article 37 language is? It says section 1 B and C shall not apply.

Don't know if they changed any language. It just says they aren't covered. What a crock of

 

[Griffin1820]

Don't know if they changed any language. It just says they aren't covered. What a crock of

Hopefully thiers some type of protection for them but I doubt it. 5 consecutive days and 70 hours isnt overtime. Its straight up abuse!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Hopefully thiers some type of protection for them but I doubt it. 5 consecutive days and 70 hours isnt overtime. Its straight up abuse!

We can't allow that

 

[upschuck]

There are no restrictions
Its not in the proposed language.
Article 22-Full-Time Combination and Part-Time Employees - UPS Rising

I guess you can say goodbye to any new 22.3 jobs.

 

[silenze]

He said...



You said...



Yet the proposed language states...

Section 4. (b). Full-Time Combination Drivers
All existing regular full-time package car drivers (RPCD) shall be considered RPCD drivers for the purpose of this Section. The Union and Company commit to protect existing RPCDs from being scheduled or forced to perform weekend delivery work and increasing the number of full-time opportunities for part-time employees. To achieve these objectives, the Company may create full-time 22.4 combination driving jobs. Such jobs may include inside work. In the event the Company utilizes this classification, the following shall apply only to those buildings that include Saturday or Sunday delivery.



But you weren't done yet...

and


And yet that pesky proposed language you posted states the restriction you claim isn't there.

1. All 22.4 combination drivers shall be guaranteed eight (8) consecutive hours of straight time pay per day, if reporting as scheduled. All 22.4 combination drivers shall work a five (5) consecutive day schedule of Tuesday through Saturday or Wednesday through Sunday. This paragraph shall supersede any Supplement, Rider, or Addendum on the same subject.

One loses credibility fast when one is inaccurate. Either you don't understand what you read or you're intentionally trying to mislead.
I wonder what it is?

That weak language does not prevent them from creating a m-friend hybrid job in a center that currently does not run saturdays.
In fact i would argue none of the protections apply to rpcd.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

My center needs to hurry up with Saturday deliver then so we can have 22.4 drivers and I can do less work. Amirite?

 

[542thruNthru]

My center needs to hurry up with Saturday deliver then so we can have 22.4 drivers and I can do less work. Amirite?

 

[Wontmake9.5]

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[Inthegame]

That weak language does not prevent them from creating a m-friend hybrid job in a center that currently does not run saturdays.

Nothing "prevents" UPS from trying anything except the contract and the right to grieve. That "weak" language is present to avoid your scenario, and if attempted, would be a clear contract violation.

In fact i would argue none of the protections apply to rpcd.

And you'd be wrong again. NM22 Sec 4 b.Sub 1,2,3,4,8,10 all apply to RPCD's.

 

[UPSTeamster Pragmatist]

Note the top of that language "employer proposal"

 

[UPSTeamster Pragmatist]

I'm hoping all the lurkers on here see the negativity for what it is.

 

[Inthegame]

Thank you, I think.

I saw the first language but didn't want to point it out being that I felt it could be interpreted different ways.

You're welcome, I think.

I agree this language is not what I was hoping for and of course UPS will try to wiggle around every corner as always.

But the concerns that the Committee addressed are the rampant abuse of air drivers and 22.3's doing delivery work regularly in many areas, the peak hours being forced on RPCD's year round and not corrected by the promised 2013 9.5 language, the recent decision to work Saturdays and maybe Sundays that have not been widely accepted by veteran drivers, and of course the 70 hour insanity of last peak.

In the long run, all of these issues are the result of the chronic short staffing throughout the country. That is the elephant in every grievance panel room for the last 5+ years and will remain so. I see no language requiring staffing reviews.

Much of this language needs touching up, but my buddy Silenze (a Feeder driver) wants a no vote so bad he can't read what's written and then misleads with suppositions, and that gets too hard to take.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Many of us work at hubs that dont have weekend delivery, yet all we hear from the Union is how great 22.4 is going to be for RPCD drivers. What improvements can guys like me expect? Especially being someone who is still in the God awful long progression where the company saves over 10 bucks an hour my first 4 years. Is the 22.4 thier "flagship" accomplishment? Is that supposed to be thier big contract seller?

Well Monday used to just suck, now that we have saturday ground... Mondays have turned into a living hell, I had 130 stops today 92 business. ( 8 HOUR REQUEST) lol worked 11 hours will be filing tomorrow. I really really wish we didnt have Saturday's

 

[542thruNthru]

I'm hoping all the lurkers on here see the negativity for what it is.

Well don't hold us all in suspense. Please tell us what all the negativity is.

 

[cachmeifucan]

Well don't hold us all in suspense. Please tell us what all the negativity is.

Please tell me the good things

 

[542thruNthru]

Please tell me the good things

Uh... What?

He's telling the lurkers that they should take the negativity for what it is. I'm asking him what is it?