Immigration

[MAKAVELI]

When Americans do not have the skills, that's when you import resources that have not been decimated in the USA public schools.
Informations based (programmers) jobs do not necessarily pay that much ... little more than a driver.

Americans don't have the skills because the education system is a failure and needs an overhaul.That's what Drumpf should be focusing on.

 

[Catatonic]

Americans don't have the skills because the education system is a failure and needs an overhaul.
That's one of the many things Drumpf should be focusing on.

We can agree on that!

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I don't expect you to get it.
Can't remember that which you never grasped.

You said it's all misdirection, yet you failed to explain what you think he is misdirecting the "MSM" and "left-wingers" from....

 

[MAKAVELI]

I was thinking you ... you never knew her so your confusion is palatable and understandable.

She was negative and blamed everyone else for her problems ... she would not like Trump!

I'm not the one confused.

 

[Catatonic]

You said it's all misdirection, yet you failed to explain what you think he is misdirecting the "MSM" and "left-wingers" from....

I know and you don't need to.
That's the nature of a Magician's act.

 

[Catatonic]

I'm not the one confused.

I'm sorry ... ignorant then!

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I know and you don't need to.
That's the nature of a Magician's act.

put down the pipe grandpa

 

[newfie]

Just about everything that was said in that press conference held by Stephen Miller.

But since those immigration suggestions have zero chance at becoming law and won't even result in a bill being created by Congress, why waste time on discussing them?

Creating immigration policy isn't the purpose. Signaling to his supporters that he still hates Mexicans and Muslims and doesn't want anymore of them in their country and whipping up anti immigrant feelings within his supporters is the whole and only purpose, as he does nothing to actually address immigration policy.

Again, they aren't even going to produce a bill from that nonsense. It's not going anywhere in Congress.

It's just like in that conversation with the Mexican President when Trump admitted that he doesn't give a damn about building a wall and that it's all just for show. He is playing his supporters once again with this immigration thing. He has zero intention of doing anything. These immigration suggestions are designed to get a reaction out of them but not designed to lead to actual policy changes.

nice speech, so which of his immigration policies do you disagree with?

 

[newfie]

Trump has no immigration policies. These are immigration suggestions. Congress isn't working on a bill to put forth those immigration suggestions at all.

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so building a wall which he is currently doing and the funding for future wall construction which is working its way through congress is not really happening? Try to focus on actually answering a question with a detailed answer.

 

[newfie]

Just like everyone else ... speaking for himself!

trying to figure out what himself is. he speaks in generalities

 

[newfie]

Ya, we need immigrants taking the high paying information jobs from Americans, not the low wage agriculture ones! Murica First!

h2b seems to indicate that there is a need for these skilled positions. I like the idea of someone coming here and earning their own keep instead of living off my tax dollars.

 

[newfie]

Americans don't have the skills because the education system is a failure and needs an overhaul.That's what Drumpf should be focusing on.

surprised Obama did not fix that the last 8 years. he ran on it.

 

[MAKAVELI]

surprised Obama did not fix that the last 8 years. he ran on it.

Too busy trying to fix Bush's friend* ups.

 

[Catatonic]

Americans don't have the skills because the education system is a failure and needs an overhaul.
That's one of the many things Drumpf should be focusing on.

We can agree on that!

surprised Obama did not fix that the last 8 years. he ran on it.

Clinton & Bush screwed that up royally ... too bad Obama did not at least try to fix it.

 

[Catatonic]

Damn!
I was enjoying this thread ... I guess @newfie scared them off.

Well, I'm off to see Galactic and Govt Mule at the Roxy.

 

[refineryworker05]

Trump is playing with the left-wingers and the MSM.
The master of misdirection.

It doesn't get any clearer.

It doesn't matter whether you believe he is playing the msm or the left.

What should matter is what is he going to do on immigration? Cause this bill is DOA. It's not becoming law. It's not even going to be a bill that gets voted on.

If a President or legislator is serious about making a bill into law or changing policy, giving flashy press conferences and throwing out ideas that can't make it through Congress isn't how they go about making law and changing policy.

You'd think republican voters would tire of this legislative signaling that doesn't actually change anything.....

8years they spent signaling how much they hated the ACA and then nothing. Two years trump spent signaling during the campaign how much he hates the ACA then nothing.

Same as with the wall and the same as with infrastructure plans, same as with deficit reduction, same with the military transgender ban, same as with immigration.

Conservatives and republicans elected officials at the national level are great at signaling hey we hate this or that thing or this group of people, great at introducing meaningless bills that wont become law, but horrible at actually addressing the things they claim to care about with actual legislation.

Trump is just stoking hatred of immigrants that's all this farce is designed to do.

It's not designed to become law.

So since he is signaling to his own supporters a thing that's leads to no where..... that's called getting played yet again.

 

[refineryworker05]

Different times ... the agrarian and industrial jobs are on a major decline while Information based jobs are on the rise in availability and salary.
The US needs people to generate wealth for the country and reduce the number of people on the take.
Allowing immigrants that fulfill the country's needs is paramount.

If you want to live in the 1900's, immigrate to Italy and France ... the USA is about the future and adapting to new realities.

Human beings can justify anything to themselves.

But it still doesn't change the fact that people who immigrated to this nation are wanting to enact immigration policies that would have kept their own families from coming here.

The level of ignorance and hypocrisy in that thinking is undeniable. No matter the personal lies and justifications they tell themselves.

The meaning is very clear Their families were good enough to come here, but not these new immigrants.

That's what this immigration thing is about. Has nothing to do with America being better in any concrete manner.

It's about keeping out "them".

 

[Catatonic]

Human beings can justify anything to themselves.

But it still doesn't change the fact that people who immigrated to this nation are wanting to enact immigration policies that would have kept their own families from coming here.

The level of ignorance and hypocrisy in that thinking is undeniable. No matter the personal lies and justifications they tell themselves.

The meaning is very clear Their families were good enough to come here, but not these new immigrants.

That's what this immigration thing is about. Has nothing to do with America being better in any concrete manner.

It's about keeping out "them".

You don't appear to have a very good insight to humans ... I got mine, screw you and NIMBY are more common that the altruistic, non-changing world in which your head resides.

 

[Catatonic]

It doesn't matter whether you believe he is playing the msm or the left.

What should matter is what is he going to do on immigration? Cause this bill is DOA. It's not becoming law. It's not even going to be a bill that gets voted on.

If a President or legislator is serious about making a bill into law or changing policy, giving flashy press conferences and throwing out ideas that can't make it through Congress isn't how they go about making law and changing policy.

You'd think republican voters would tire of this legislative signaling that doesn't actually change anything.....

8years they spent signaling how much they hated the ACA and then nothing. Two years trump spent signaling during the campaign how much he hates the ACA then nothing.

Same as with the wall and the same as with infrastructure plans, same as with deficit reduction, same with the military transgender ban, same as with immigration.

Conservatives and republicans elected officials at the national level are great at signaling hey we hate this or that thing or this group of people, great at introducing meaningless bills that wont become law, but horrible at actually addressing the things they claim to care about with actual legislation.

Trump is just stoking hatred of immigrants that's all this farce is designed to do.

It's not designed to become law.

So since he is signaling to his own supporters a thing that's leads to no where..... that's called getting played yet again.

Nice reading but it's like a dog barking.
It has no relevance and effects nothing except your preconceived notions.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Nice reading but it's like a dog barking.
It has no relevance and effects nothing except your preconceived notions.

I gotta say, you're doing a stellar job of filling the role of biggest troll in current events now that TOS is gone.