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rickyb

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Not up to Trump to create unions or strengthen unions. Existing unions should be out talking to workers. If workers feel they're getting a bad deal then the unions will grow. You may have not noticed but some unions supported Trump. The UAW praised his tariffs on imported cars. Before you make blanket accusations you should educate yourself on what's going on.
i am educated, trump put anti union people in political positions, and obviously he did a bad job his first term bc the union rate didnt go up.

why is it not up to trump to strengthen unions and yet youre in favor of right to work laws?
 

vantexan

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whats minimum wage in america vs what factory workers make in mexico?

so you are saying you support politicians tampering with unions
What's your point? And where did I say I support politicians tampering with unions? Unions don't get to dictate everything. If passing right to work laws brings jobs to a state that wouldn't come because of strong union activity then that state has every right to pass those laws.
 

rickyb

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What's your point? And where did I say I support politicians tampering with unions? Unions don't get to dictate everything. If passing right to work laws brings jobs to a state that wouldn't come because of strong union activity then that state has every right to pass those laws.
so you support laws which affect unions and then you say politicians should not strengthen unions

so youre just in favor of politicians weakening unions with laws?
 

vantexan

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i am educated, trump put anti union people in political positions, and obviously he did a bad job his first term bc the union rate didnt go up.

why is it not up to trump to strengthen unions and yet youre in favor of right to work laws?
It's not the president's job to support unions. If a president is pro union and has the support needed in Congress then laws helping unions get passed. If he's anti union, pro business then unions will just have to increase their rolls themselves. The reason you see so many states with right to work laws these days is people could see for themselves what happens when unions push companies too hard. In areas where there are few solid jobs they will welcome non unionized companies bringing decent paying jobs. You think that unions should be everywhere taking everything a company makes for the workers. Doesn't work that way and is exactly why so many strong union areas have been depressed for decades.
 

vantexan

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so you support laws which affect unions and then you say politicians should not strengthen unions

so youre just in favor of politicians weakening unions with laws?
I don't know why you think you're being clever. I'm for what works to bring solid jobs to areas in need of those jobs.
 

rickyb

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It's not the president's job to support unions. If a president is pro union and has the support needed in Congress then laws helping unions get passed. If he's anti union, pro business then unions will just have to increase their rolls themselves. The reason you see so many states with right to work laws these days is people could see for themselves what happens when unions push companies too hard. In areas where there are few solid jobs they will welcome non unionized companies bringing decent paying jobs. You think that unions should be everywhere taking everything a company makes for the workers. Doesn't work that way and is exactly why so many string union areas have been depressed for decades.
and yet iceland has a 91% union rate
sweden has a kinky 69% union rate

iceland jailed the bankers
and unemployment rate is low

you have so many states with right to work laws because the labor movement in america is dead, your union rate is 9.9%, and money rules the government. the rich want to get richer, and they dont like unions.
 

vantexan

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and yet iceland has a 91% union rate
sweden has a kinky 69% union rate

iceland jailed the bankers
and unemployment rate is low

you have so many states with right to work laws because the labor movement in america is dead, your union rate is 9.9%, and money rules the government. the rich want to get richer, and they dont like unions.
Yes and those countries also have very high taxes. Iceland's unemployment is low but we have many cities with more people than Iceland's total population. And Sweden's unemployment rate is currently 8.9%. You need to educate yourself instead of listening to haters.
 

rickyb

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Yes and those countries also have very high taxes. Iceland's unemployment is low but we have many cities with more people than Iceland's total population. And Sweden's unemployment rate is currently 8.9%. You need to educate yourself instead of listening to haters.
Correction! An american went to one of these nordic countries doing the same job and he said his take home is the same but theres no homeless, the streets are clean etc

You can just compare any state to iceland then

Sweden unemployment rate was 2 to 4 percent for a few decades now its 6 to 8 percent for a few decades

Btw do you know wat factory workers make in mexico per hour?
 

rickyb

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Because by and large the people shopping at Wal-Mart can't afford the much higher prices that would come with a huge unionized workforce.
Sellers set prices not unions

Do economists say unions are good or bad for workers?

Are you saying trump, whos mouth is always open, should say nothing in favor of unions for example?
 

vantexan

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Correction! An american went to one of these nordic countries doing the same job and he said his take home is the same but theres no homeless, the streets are clean etc

You can just compare any state to iceland then

Sweden unemployment rate was 2 to 4 percent for a few decades now its 6 to 8 percent for a few decades

Btw do you know wat factory workers make in mexico per hour?
Factory workers in Mexico don't make a lot. Depends on the company they work for too. Years ago I saw where workers in a car engine factory were making $8hr. But that was more than 10 years ago.

Sweden's unemployment is sitting at 8.9%. That's a hell of a lot for a country with a small population. And of course they don't have homeless. They'd freeze to death!
 

vantexan

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Sellers set prices not unions

Do economists say unions are good or bad for workers?

Are you saying trump, whos mouth is always open, should say nothing in favor of unions for example?
Sellers have to pay their employees. If a union strikes for much higher pay and much better benefits guess what happens to the goods Walmart sells? They get more expensive.
 

rickyb

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Factory workers in Mexico don't make a lot. Depends on the company they work for too. Years ago I saw where workers in a car engine factory were making $8hr. But that was more than 10 years ago.

Sweden's unemployment is sitting at 8.9%. That's a hell of a lot for a country with a small population. And of course they don't have homeless. They'd freeze to death!
Canada has homeless freezing as does america
 

vantexan

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You can just compare any state to iceland then
Any state? Our lowest population state is Wyoming with an estimated population of almost 588,000. Iceland's population is a little over 389,000. It's also extremely expensive. There are 52 U.S. cities with more population and if you look at Metro areas(main city plus suburbs) there are 144 bigger population wise than Iceland. Wise up, Iceland isn't the answer to everything.
 
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