LGBTQ

[Non liberal]

I found the book of the "FSM" to be absolutely hilarious! Those who are very religious, AND without a sense of humor will probably not.

As a man's sex drive is very much mostly driven by what they see, and NOT by what they don't see, that's no surprise.
But the "rooster" is a deal-breaker.

My thoughts exactly. And those who are lacking in that trait are sociopaths.

I don know, I guess evolution must have skipped people like Ted bundy and Geoffrey dauhmer and yes, sociopaths. You actually proved my point for me.

 

[Mutineer]

I don know, I guessed evolution must have skipped people like Ted bundy and Geoffrey dauhmer and yes, sociopaths. You actually proved my point for me.

Not quite really "skipped."

Sociopaths are very often very successful in life, and at attracting mates and reproducing.

Which is why I believe that trait is becoming more common.

 

[Non liberal]

Not quite really "skipped."

Sociopaths are very often very successful in life, and at attracting mates and reproducing.

Which is why I believe that trait is becoming more common.

If morality is a trait that evolved in humans over time, where is their morality? Did evolution magically skip them? Or was it given by god, and they rejected it? Or were they driven insane by demons? Considering my earlier post about the universe not being able to exist in an atheists world view, not to mention just not enough time for evolution to create the complex world we see today, I’ll choose the last two options.

 

[El Correcto]

Not quite really "skipped."

Sociopaths are very often very successful in life, and at attracting mates and reproducing.

Which is why I believe that trait is becoming more common.

Sociopaths are not naturally occurring like psychopaths are theorized to be. They think they are born with a normal brain but suffer intense trauma as a kid that stunts their development and leaves them more prone to violence than psychopaths are.

Psychopaths are born that way, they are just naturally fearless, non anxiety type people.
Sociopaths on the other hand live their lives feeling anxiety.

There are a lot of differences between them, but sociopaths are almost always guaranteed a worse outcome than psychopaths. The trouble for psychopaths is when they develop sadistic tendencies, they lack to proper control not to indulge in it and start hunting people down to get it.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

If morality is a trait that evolved in humans over time, where is their morality? Did evolution magically skip them? Or was it given by god, and they rejected it? Or were they driven insane by demons? Considering my earlier post about the universe not being able to exist in an atheists world view, not to mention just not enough time for evolution to create the complex world we see today, I’ll choose the last two options.

Sounds like amorailty is the next step in evolution.

 

[Mutineer]

If morality is a trait that evolved in humans over time, where is their morality? Did evolution magically skip them?

Morality didn't skip them.

Sociopaths are successful at getting what they want, as morality is not a factor.

Sociopaths reproduce and pass that trait. And evolution favors success.

Success in our society is largely measured by how much resources one accumulates, and how much that person reproduces.

 

[El Correcto]

Sociopaths are rarely guaranteed a good outcome in life is what I’m saying. Psychopath can end up successful but the sociopaths they leave in their wake of cruelty in their personal lives don’t.

 

[Mutineer]

Sociopaths are not naturally occurring like psychopaths are theorized to be.

I tend to disagree, as I do not distinguish the two. In my experiences, they are the same to me.

I suppose the people with college degrees would disagree.

I do believe that some people are born monsters.
Some are made into monsters.
And some are born to be made into monsters.

 

[El Correcto]

If morality is a trait that evolved in humans over time, where is their morality? Did evolution magically skip them? Or was it given by god, and they rejected it? Or were they driven insane by demons? Considering my earlier post about the universe not being able to exist in an atheists world view, not to mention just not enough time for evolution to create the complex world we see today, I’ll choose the last two options.

Human beings have a lot of quirks. Look up personality disorders if you’re interested in learning more about these extreme types of individuals.

Evolution is random mutations that are put to the test by natural selection. Evolution doesn’t skip people, we are constantly evolving with every act of procreation, you’re producing a completely new human different from you that will have it’s own quirks, sometimes more beneficial than others. It’s how people end up with extra chromosomes and develop Down syndrome.

Society helps removes the natural selection process from people and introduces society’s selection of people. Society now has much more say in what is a successful desirable mate than what nature does. ASPD folk just tend to go after multiple sex partners, it is a beneficial trait for passing on their genes.

 

[El Correcto]

I do believe that some people are born monsters.
Some are made into monsters.
And some are born to be made into monsters.

And that is exactly what differing sociopath from psychopaths is. Some are born that way, that naturally wired like that, some suffer intense trauma that screws up their social development.

The ones born that way tend to be less self destructive than the ones who suffered trauma that made them that way.

We all operate on the ASPD scale and show traits of psychopathic behavior from time to time, these people are just more extreme and firmly in the anti-social part of the scale.

 

[Non liberal]

Sociopaths are not naturally occurring like psychopaths are theorized to be. They think they are born with a normal brain but suffer intense trauma as a kid that stunts their development and leaves them more prone to violence than psychopaths are.

Psychopaths are born that way, they are just naturally fearless, non anxiety type people.
Sociopaths on the other hand live their lives feeling anxiety.

There are a lot of differences between them, but sociopaths are almost always guaranteed a worse outcome than psychopaths. The trouble for psychopaths is when they develop sadistic tendencies, they lack to proper control not to indulge in it and start hunting people down to get it.

Either evolution brings morality or it doesn’t

 

[El Correcto]

Either evolution brings morality or it doesn’t

Psychopaths may not feel all the emotions needed to empathize and develop a healthy morality on their own, but they can still rationalize morality and learn society’s ways.

They just lack the proper mental tools to fully grasp the effects they are causing on an emotional level.

 

[Mutineer]

Society now has much more say in what is a successful desirable mate than what nature does. ASPD folk just tend to go after multiple sex partners, it is a beneficial trait for passing on their genes.

I absolutely agree.

Either evolution brings morality or it doesn’t

I think morality was a strength for the vast majority of man's evolution.
When people actually needed other moral people to survive on any given day.
I also am very sad to say I believe that morality is now a weakness.
Like a Model T Ford is regarded today: Quaint, amusing, mostly useless, and obsolete.

 

[Mutineer]

We all operate on the ASPD scale and show traits of psychopathic behavior from time to time,

Agreed. Someone once said that "nobody is ever entirely in their right mind."

 

[Non liberal]

Psychopaths may not feel all the emotions needed to empathize and develop a healthy morality on their own, but they can still rationalize morality and learn society’s ways.

They just lack the proper mental tools to fully grasp the effects they are causing on an emotional level.

They obviously can’t develope a healthy morality on their own, I would argue nobody can without god. A society has a bedrock of morals, rules by which they govern themselves by. I argue we got those from god, and the bible. You say they evolve in people blindly. Evolution doesn’t care about morals, evolution cares about surviving. How it is going to make a better adjustment for its next host. If these people would read gods word and put those words into practice they would develope morals, but they reject him.

 

[Non liberal]

I absolutely agree.

I think morality was a strength for the vast majority of man's evolution.
When people actually needed other moral people to survive on any given day.
I also am very sad to say I believe that morality is now a weakness.
Like a Model T Ford is regarded today: Quaint, amusing, mostly useless, and obsolete.

Wow.

 

[Non liberal]

Agreed. Someone once said that "nobody is ever entirely in their right mind."

Yes, god said something like that. We are all sinners with an evil heart.

 

[Mutineer]

Sociopaths are rarely guaranteed a good outcome in life is what I’m saying. Psychopath can end up successful but the sociopaths they leave in their wake of cruelty in their personal lives don’t.

That notion never crossed my mind.

Psychopaths, due to their misdeeds, create sociopaths?

I will have to ponder that one for awhile.

 

[Mutineer]

Wow.

I am not happy with my assessment, either. It is depressing. But I do believe it has merit.

 

[Non liberal]

I am not happy with my assessment, either. It is depressing. But I do believe it has merit.

Why do you say morality is mostly useless and obsolete?