Management susp/fired over time cards...

[PSP]

Is posting on this forum considered off the clock?

 

[Operational needs]

Is posting on this forum considered off the clock?

If you do it in your own time like on break.

 

[fedx]

Working off the clock is a direct and specific violation of company policy, punishable by termination -- as stated in company policy. Multiple and frequent occurrences over a long period of time pretty much kills any chance of "Manager told me to do something that sounded unusual, I wasn't sure but went ahead with it because I feared for my job" being a winning excuse.



A class action lawsuit with 5 people in the class, LOL.

LOL, how many do you need for it to be a class action lawsuit? A million people? Besides, where did it say there was only 5 people involved?

 

[59 Dano]

So the employee can either stand up to the manager and possibly be retaliated against or work off the clock and be fired. Either way, the employee gets screwed.

Or he can call the anonymous hotline and get the popcorn ready.

 

[59 Dano]

LOL, how many do you need for it to be a class action lawsuit? A million people? Besides, where did it say there was only 5 people involved?

The incident which you were addressing involved 5 who lost their jobs.

 

[fedx]

The incident which you were addressing involved 5 who lost their jobs.

I didn't see where it said how many. So why did those people work off the clock in the first place? Did they really love working for free? I mean there had to be a reason why so many people would work off the clock for such a long period of time. I'm sure they loved their job, but enough to keep on working and not get paid? Any theory as to why they did that then?

 

[!Retired!]

LOL, how many do you need for it to be a class action lawsuit? A million people? Besides, where did it say there was only 5 people involved?

A simple Google search would give you that answer.
"While there is technically no minimum number of people needed for a class action, it is difficult (although not unheard of) to get a case with fewer than 40 individuals certified.

It only takes one person to file a class action lawsuit, but in order for a class action to proceed, a judge must first certify the class. Judges exercise some discretion when making the certification decision, but they do so within the context of Rule 23 of the Federal Rules of Procedure, which says that a class action is appropriate when “the class is so numerous that joinder of all members is impracticable.”

 

[MAKAVELI]

Someone said around 3 West Coast managers, including senior, may be let go due to manually entering lunches to unaware employees. This is just hearsay but the person reporting is a pretty serious person. Lets say a courier goes to lunch from 12:00 to 12:30, management would go in and see if there was any gap by the courier prior or post lunch. If the courier, after coming off lunch, didn't scan until 12:38, his lunch could have been changed from 12:00 to 12:37. Now some of the couriers at our station have said they felt short changed but because the hours breakdown on the pay stub isn't straightforward, its very hard to tell. I do hope Corp. goes through and investigates all stations timecards. I'm willing to bet we had a manager like this. No longer at our station but may be doing it to another workgroup.
To the ones that are going to write that couriers take advantage of the gap between lunch, I agree. I know of couriers who cheat. But rather going in and changing his/her timecard, bring that courier into a meeting with manager and senior to explain himself. This, if true, is not right. Management is suppose to be better.

Just curious, what state were these managers in?

 

[fatboy33]

Just curious, what state were these managers in?

One of the must restrictive states in the union is California...

 

[MAKAVELI]

One of the must restrictive states in the union is California...

Lol. They haven't learned from the previous class action lawsuits.

 

[59 Dano]

I didn't see where it said how many.

Regardless, that's how many.

So why did those people work off the clock in the first place? Did they really love working for free? I mean there had to be a reason why so many people would work off the clock for such a long period of time. I'm sure they loved their job, but enough to keep on working and not get paid? Any theory as to why they did that then?

Because they're stupid.

 

[fatboy33]

Lol. They haven't learned from the previous class action lawsuits.

I guess bonuses and or pressure is a driving force causing these managers to do these things. I wounder about the Managers that haven't been caught, if any.

 

[59 Dano]

I guess bonuses and or pressure is a driving force causing these managers to do these things.

There is no bonus to be had by doing such things.

 

[Schweddy]

"Sure there isn't"...

 

[Maui]

It's threats and intimidation. No bonus, just the privilege of keeping your job and nor getting a warning letter.

 

[59 Dano]

"Sure there isn't"...

Tell us about the bonuses that they get. I'm all ears.

 

[59 Dano]

It's threats and intimidation. No bonus, just the privilege of keeping your job and nor getting a warning letter.

If unpaid labor easily solves the problem, paid labor solves it almost as easily.

 

[Oldfart]

If unpaid labor easily solves the problem, paid labor solves it almost as easily.

Isn't labor cost a major expense?

 

[Schweddy]

Tell us about the bonuses that they get. I'm all ears.

No, there isn't an awarded bonus for requiring employees to work off the clock. As if you couldn't think past that.

Federal Express Corporation (FedEx) Operations Manager Salary

If unpaid labor easily solves the problem, paid labor solves it almost as easily.

Not if their bonus is affected by hours saved and/or other parameters. Kind of like making people wait to clock in because of late freight vs the schedule. Because of that, people might as well pretrip and setup their vehicle because they won't have time to once the sort starts.

Isn't labor cost a major expense?

Yes, it is a major expense. But is labor cost the controlled value? I'd say no, not necessarily. More about hours used and on road goal achievement than who got some ot, even if it's topped out ot.

 

[59 Dano]

No, there isn't an awarded bonus for requiring employees to work off the clock. As if you couldn't think past that.

I asked you to tell us about the bonuses managers get. Still waiting. If you don't know, that's ok. Just say so.

Not if their bonus is affected by hours saved and/or other parameters.

Aaaaaaand it's looking like you don't know. Big surprise there.