Never received my $0.70 raise?

[saintrick]

What part of this do you not understand?
Part-time employees still in progression on August 1, 2008 13 shall

receive the above contractual increases
This also applyes to full time.

You should stop giving advice.

I understand that full time in progression gets the GWI.

However they must have also attained seniority before Aug 1st.

Read the first line of Article 41 and get back with me.

 

[JL 0513]

First off, what does GWI stand for?

I was thinking I wouldn't be getting a retro check, sounds like I will? I gained driver seniority April 2013 and of course under the 3 year progression. Will I be getting .70 for each hour worked since August? Sounds like the other scenario is 2 smaller raises during that period. Why is all this stuff so unclear?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

GWI---general wage increase.

 

[upschuck]

Will I be getting .70 for each hour worked since August?

Yes according to Art 41 Sec 1 states you will

Sounds like the other scenario is 2 smaller raises during that period.

I believe that you will get the 70¢, and another bump up to what your progression puts you at. Others believe that that you will move to the new progression in wages, but not in number of years. I see no where in the contract that states this, and have asked him several times where it states it, and no reply.

Why is all this stuff so unclear?

So they can pull the wool over people who don't know the contract.

 

[Jasoonis]

According to the contact, I should be getting the $0.70 raise. It clearly states it in the contract itself.

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[Quigley]

Yes according to Art 41 Sec 1 states you will

I believe that you will get the 70¢, and another bump up to what your progression puts you at. Others believe that that you will move to the new progression in wages, but not in number of years. I see no where in the contract that states this, and have asked him several times where it states it, and no reply.

So they can pull the wool over people who don't know the contract.

I keep showing it to you and you keep refusing to see it

Full-time employees still in progression on the effective date of this
Master Agreement shall receive the above contractual increases.
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

Start $18.75​

Seniority​

$18.75​

Twelve (12) months​

$19.50​

Twenty-four (24) months​

$21.00​

Thirty-six (36) months​

$25.00​

Forty-eight (48) months Top Rate​

 

[upschuck]

I keep showing it to you and you keep refusing to see it

Full-time employees still in progression on the effective date of this
Master Agreement shall receive the above contractual increases.
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

Start $18.75
Seniority
$18.75
Twelve (12) months
$19.50
Twenty-four (24) months
$21.00
Thirty-six (36) months
$25.00
Forty-eight (48) months Top Rate​

And just before that it says those entering AFTER Aug 1,2013. For those entering before remains in their old progression.

 

[Quigley]

And just before that it says those entering AFTER Aug 1,2013. For those entering before remains in their old progression.

That part means to remain on the 3 year progression not go to the new 4 year progression.

 

[upschuck]

That part means to remain on the 3 year progression not go to the new 4 year progression.

Show me where it says that.

 

[Quigley]

And just before that it says those entering AFTER Aug 1,2013. For those entering before remains in their old progression.

I have asked you before and you refuse to answer. Why have this "
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.
When you say this applies"
Article 41 Section 2(c) of the prior Agreement shall remain in
effect for all employees in that progression as of the date of the ratification.

And dont tell me its for the GWI, that sentence has nothing to do with the GWI

 

[Quigley]

Show me where it says that.

Show me where it says it pertains to wage increases

 

[upschuck]

I have asked you before and you refuse to answer. Why have this "
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.
When you say this applies"
Article 41 Section 2(c) of the prior Agreement shall remain in
effect for all employees in that progression as of the date of the ratification.

And dont tell me its for the GWI, that sentence has nothing to do with the GWI

Art 41 Sec 2(c) is part of Art 41 Sec 2. Subsections are part of Sections.

 

[Quigley]

Sorry, again you didnt answer the questions. I want to know why its there.
I'm at the end of a 12 hour day so its time for bed. I will check later to see if you answered my question

 

[upschuck]

Show me where it says it pertains to wage increases

When it says

Article 41 Section 2(c) of the prior Agreement shall remain in

effect for all employees in that progression as of the date of the ratification

I take it as the whole section, and not only the part that I want it too. Why don't they have a 4 yr progression at the lower rates, if you want to pick and chose what not to chose applies and what doesn't. And that whole section includes wages. Ergo wages are included in that statement.

 

[Quigley]

Ok then once again I ask you to answer this.
Why have this "
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

When you say this applies"
Article 41 Section 2(c) of the prior Agreement shall remain in
effect for all employees in that progression as of the date of the ratification

 

[upschuck]

Sorry, again you didnt answer the questions. I want to know why its there.
I'm at the end of a 12 hour day so its time for bed. I will check later to see if you answered my question

Why what is there? that you won't get paid less than 41.2. As I told you before, it is so you don't only get the GWI. You got to go to the part of 41.2 that applies to those already in progression as of Aug 1.

 

[Quigley]

I give up, you refuse to read my question and then answer it. You keep bringing up the GWI which has nothing to do with the question. Please read this sentence:
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

If what you are saying is true that Article 41 Section2(C) means that you stay at the old wage incerases, then why have the above sentence in the contract?

 

[upschuck]

Ok then once again I ask you to answer this.
Why have this "
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

When you say this applies"
Article 41 Section 2(c) of the prior Agreement shall remain in
effect for all employees in that progression as of the date of the ratification

You stump me, and you are wrong. I put up a table earlier on why you need all those statements in contract, but you dismiss it and ask me why they need to be there. I have answered your question many times, and are in such opposition to how the contract is written, that you are blind to the truth. I have asked you where the contract states you get the new rates, and you respond back as to where I get my side, which I do and you still deny I answer.

So I ask again, where does it say new progression wages for old progression people?

 

[Myleftsideistan]

You obtained seniority after Aug, you are under new contract simple as that.

 

[upschuck]

I give up, you refuse to read my question and then answer it. You keep bringing up the GWI which has nothing to do with the question. Please read this sentence:
They will be paid no less than what they are entitled to in accordance
with Article 41, Section 2 below.

If what you are saying is true that Article 41 Section2(C) means that you stay at the old wage incerases, then why have the above sentence in the contract?

I bring it up because if it where not in contract, then they would only get the GWI. Now you get a bit more money with the GWI and the progression wage, and not just one increase. Section 2(c) is considered part of section 2.