New Video! UPS offering Buyouts to its Drivers....

May very well be the case. Then again it may just be possible that this is outside of the contractual realm, and an extra agreement that is not of a mutual nature and without input from the IBT. That can be a slippery slope if not confronted now
Wouldn't be better for the younger members who may not be working next year when we cut back on Amazon?
 
May very well be the case. Then again it may just be possible that this is outside of the contractual realm, and an extra agreement that is not of a mutual nature and without input from the IBT. That can be a slippery slope if not confronted now
Which is fine...but SOB seems very overzealous.
"We sniffed this out, blah blah". Ok, good job. Now do your job but can't we have some candid discussion in this matter?
Just comes across very aggressive
 

UnionStrong

Sorry, but I don’t care anymore.
Which is fine...but SOB seems very overzealous.
"We sniffed this out, blah blah". Ok, good job. Now do your job but can't we have some candid discussion in this matter?
Just comes across very aggressive
He’s angry because UPS out foxed him. He’s not a very smart guy. Just a big mouth. But he did screw the Western Pension fund so there is that….🤣
 

JL 0513

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I'm still confused as to why UPS agreed to a promise no business can promise, adding an arbitrary amount of jobs in the future. Sean O'Brien seems to lack this basic understanding of economics.

Say the country fell into a depression during the contract, UPS must legally be bound to creating 10's of thousands of jobs? What good is all of this if UPS goes out of business? Economics is economics, Union or not. UPS is a business first, everything else has to follow.

SOB keeps saying UPS is driven by profit. Well I hope so, because that's the only way we have jobs. SOB talks like UPS has to be a non-profit while also paying us twice as much as competitors.

He's not putting two and two together in that the "historic contract" he delivered has forced this restructuring for the company to continue to survive.
 

No1 Special

Long time listener, first time caller.
If we can unionize Amazon then I would take the buyout, go work for Amazon, and laugh at the UPS driver delivering trampolines, while I am delivering the 4lb and under packages.........as long as my seniority dovetails.
 

542thruNthru

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No disagreement for me I’m in the same boat as you, but we had a similar issue with the MRA as a extra contract agreement and drivers getting hired off the street at $30 an hour while other drivers had to go through progression. In the end, the drivers kept the money, maybe the union will be more successful with this argument, but I don’t feel very confident about that. there was a similar issue with inside employees that was also lost.
Thats because of the horrible MOU that was signed by Hall I believe. It let the company pick and choose shift and all the crap.
 

542thruNthru

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Thank Dave
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Thebrownblob

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Thats because of the horrible MOU that was signed by Hall I believe. It let the company pick and choose shift and all the crap.
And I wonder what MOUs were signed that the company thinks they can have this buyout legitimately. I wonder what they snuck by that our side didn’t pay attention to, or maybe they did?
 

542thruNthru

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And I wonder what MOUs were signed that the company thinks they can have this buyout legitimately. I wonder what they snuck by that our side didn’t pay attention to or maybe they did?
I honestly dont believe anything was signed. I think the company thought they'd try and stir :censored2: up when the IBT said no to them wanting to do a buyout. So they sent it out to get members upset with the union.
 

Thebrownblob

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I honestly dont believe anything was signed. I think the company thought they'd try and stir :censored2: up when the IBT said no to them wanting to do a buyout. So they sent it out to get members upset with the union.
Perhaps. Weird the company made the statement. It was agreed to, not that they don’t lie, but just strange that they said that.
 

Brown Circus

Shh...It’s peak and I’m hunting logic
I'm still confused as to why UPS agreed to a promise no business can promise, adding an arbitrary amount of jobs in the future. Sean O'Brien seems to lack this basic understanding of economics.

Say the country fell into a depression during the contract, UPS must legally be bound to creating 10's of thousands of jobs? What good is all of this if UPS goes out of business? Economics is economics, Union or not. UPS is a business first, everything else has to follow.

SOB keeps saying UPS is driven by profit. Well I hope so, because that's the only way we have jobs. SOB talks like UPS has to be a non-profit while also paying us twice as much as competitors.

He's not putting two and two together in that the "historic contract" he delivered has forced this restructuring for the company to continue to survive.
We made this company billions of dollars during the pandemic and they gave it away to shareholders. It’s not the contract that is tanking the company. It’s the stock driven mentality. He had to castrate them from ever thinking they could leave us out again!
 

Brown Circus

Shh...It’s peak and I’m hunting logic
If we can unionize Amazon then I would take the buyout, go work for Amazon, and laugh at the UPS driver delivering trampolines, while I am delivering the 4lb and under packages.........as long as my seniority dovetails.
Other companies in the union aren’t compensated nearly what we are. Ask the yellow drivers. Oh wait….
 

Pullman Brown

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I'm still confused as to why UPS agreed to a promise no business can promise, adding an arbitrary amount of jobs in the future. Sean O'Brien seems to lack this basic understanding of economics.

Say the country fell into a depression during the contract, UPS must legally be bound to creating 10's of thousands of jobs? What good is all of this if UPS goes out of business? Economics is economics, Union or not. UPS is a business first, everything else has to follow.

SOB keeps saying UPS is driven by profit. Well I hope so, because that's the only way we have jobs. SOB talks like UPS has to be a non-profit while also paying us twice as much as competitors.

He's not putting two and two together in that the "historic contract" he delivered has forced this restructuring for the company to continue to survive.
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