Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes guilty of Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy

vantexan

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That's exactly right. Efforts by Democrats to overturn elections also failed to meet the burden of proof. Which in turn serves as an example of just how impossible it is to overturn a state election let alone a national election. Just ask Rudy G .Here is a guy who stupidly tried, had no supporting evidence backing his claims, had his law license suspended may end up losing it permanently and still no word if Trump reversed what he said publicly and actually pay the man for his efforts. And has anybody seen or heard anything from old Rudy these days?
You're obfuscating. Democrats go on and on about elections were stolen from them but if Republicans say it.....
 

newfie

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America is great. We hit a rough patch a few years ago, but back on track now!
high inflation is the right track? overwhelmed border is on the right track? Our funding a proxy war against the Russians risking a nuclear war is on the right track? DOJ being used as the secret police by the Biden administration is the right track?

okie dokie
 

Jiangshi

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high inflation is the right track? overwhelmed border is on the right track? Our funding a proxy war against the Russians risking a nuclear war is on the right track? DOJ being used as the secret police by the Biden administration is the right track?

okie dokie
We are in better shape than any other free nation right now. Immigration reform is being blocked by Republicans. We should do more to defeat Putin. You are just wrong about your last point.

We couldn’t even buy toilet paper or bottled water when the former guy ran things. He was an abject failure.
 

newfie

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We are in better shape than any other free nation right now. Immigration reform is being blocked by Republicans. We should do more to defeat Putin. You are just wrong about your last point.

We couldn’t even buy toilet paper or bottled water when the former guy ran things. He was an abject failure.
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bacha29

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When they started referring to pedophiles as Minor Attracted People it was obvious that was the next group they'll attempt to normalize.
Say whatever disparaging comment you like about Democrats but in a true conservative society where you only get what you can pay for from your own resources your life saving open heart surgery would have never taken place. That is an indisputable fact no matter how much Democrat bashing you want to do. And your 20 dollars a month would never be accepted as terms of payment.
 

vantexan

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Say whatever disparaging comment you like about Democrats but in a true conservative society where you only get what you can pay for from your own resources your life saving open heart surgery would have never taken place. That is an indisputable fact no matter how much Democrat bashing you want to do. And your 20 dollars a month would never be accepted as terms of payment.
That has nothing to do with my statement. But if you want to go there you supported Biden giving half a trillion in student loan relief to people making up to $125k a year, $250k for couples. It was illegal but you supported throwing money down a hole. Hundreds of billions. So get off your low horse.
 

bacha29

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high inflation is the right track? overwhelmed border is on the right track? Our funding a proxy war against the Russians risking a nuclear war is on the right track? DOJ being used as the secret police by the Biden administration is the right track?

okie dokie
1. PCE index which is the one the Federal Reserve uses to formulate reserve policy was only up 0.2% in October (5.0%yoy). Clear
sign that inflation is cooling off. JP at the news conference yesterday said that rate increases will be smaller and over a longer
time given that supply is starting to catch up with demand.

2. Right now there is an immigration case in front of Trump dominated SCOTUS which could serve as the blueprint for immigration
reform legislation following decades of GOP stonewalling.

3. GOP Secretary of State James Baker told the Russians that NATO would not go further east than Germany. Now look at where
it is today. With the exception of Kaliningrad he's almost completely surrounded on his western border. Putin doesn't need to
use nukes to beat NATO. he can starve them out and or freeze them out.

4. DOJ is and always will be an independent law enforcement agency. And if it decides to indict a person it will because the
evidence rose to the level of the charges.

Good god man, surely you have something better to do than to sit there all day watching Fox News or whoever it is that's
instilling such fear in you.
 

bacha29

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That has nothing to do with my statement. But if you want to go there you supported Biden giving half a trillion in student loan relief to people making up to $125k a year, $250k for couples. It was illegal but you supported throwing money down a hole. Hundreds of billions. So get off your low horse.
Answer this question:

Do you believe that you were morally entitled to your life saving open heart surgery that had to be publicly funded and would not have taken place if you had to pay for it yourself? If so then why in your opinion that a small amount of debt relief which on an individual basis is a small fraction of the cost of your surgery not on the same moral plane as the one you use to entitle yourself to that surgery?

After all the beneficiaries of that small amount of forgiveness are and will continue to pay federal income tax for years to come. Something by your own admission haven't done for years.
 

vantexan

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Answer this question:

Do you believe that you were morally entitled to your life saving open heart surgery that had to be publicly funded and would not have taken place if you had to pay for it yourself? If so then why in your opinion that a small amount of debt relief which on an individual basis is a small fraction of the cost of your surgery not on the same moral plane as the one you use to entitle yourself to that surgery?

After all the beneficiaries of that small amount of forgiveness are and will continue to pay federal income tax for years to come. Something by your own admission haven't done for years.
Answer this question:

Do you think with $31 trillion+ in debt it's right to offer a half trillion dollars to college grads making up to $125k a year? Where do you draw the line? Do you not care that with higher interest rates the government is now spending hundreds of billions more to service the debt? Where does your willingness to spend, spend, spend stop?

Those college grads have many years to go before they catch up to my spending on taxes.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
Answer this question:

Do you think with $31 trillion+ in debt it's right to offer a half trillion dollars to college grads making up to $125k a year? Where do you draw the line? Do you not care that with higher interest rates the government is now spending hundreds of billions more to service the debt? Where does your willingness to spend, spend, spend stop?

Those college grads have many years to go before they catch up to my spending on taxes.
You still skirt the question. Do you think that you were morally entitled to a publicly funded 100K + open heart surgery ? If you believe that you were morally entitled to it then what makes you think that 10K in debt relief is something those people are not morally entitled to?
 
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