So in 2018 the Unions are no longer exempt from obamacare ..What then ? will we all lose our healthcare ? Are central states Healthcare plans cadillac plans ? There has to be a reason that unions were exempt .It has to be to screw us later.So Ups will be off the hook,we will be taxed heavily or we will have to pay some.Anyone with real knowledge have an idea? Our union boss told us we are not a cadillac plan.If we arent thats fine but then again at 4.5 billion profit a year,why arent we.Like to hear some facts.Thanks
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Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
"Bookmarks for 2018"
Because Union plans are non-profit which keeps costs lower hence not reaching the cadillac thresholds. Your "union boss" has real knowledge and he gave you proper advice.
OLDANDGRAY,
Why dont you enlighten all of us about these costs, specifically of course, item by item.
Of course, this is where you exit the conversation.
TOS.
oldngray
nowhere special
You can look it up. Thousands of pages so too long to post here.
But here is a link to one of your favorite news sources giving a few details.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/08/obamacare-tax-cadillac-plans_n_3239488.html
JL 0513
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Gotta love how all the big groups that supported Obama (Unions and such) got exemptions. Those that opposed the law are eating it first.
There's already been about 40 unlawful delays to this disgraceful law and each one of them has been for political reasons. To delay the hurt. Everything systematically after elections. Passed the law in '09 yet it barely started until after the 2012 election completely on purpose. Now many requirements have been pushed pass this years mid-terms. And others have been blatantly pushed until 2016. Obama will be comfortably out of office when our whole health care system comes crumbling down.
Better enjoy our plans now. Trust me, they won't last. The Unions have essentially voted for the demise of their generous health care plans. Good one. And it's not just about whatever "plan" we end up with, even if that eventually means single payer. What really suffers is our whole system. Less doctors, less medical equipment, less hospitals/offices, meaning very long wait times. Go check out Canada. Need a routine MRI scan? Better get on a waiting list. Today in the US, you can easily get one same day.
There's already been about 40 unlawful delays to this disgraceful law and each one of them has been for political reasons. To delay the hurt. Everything systematically after elections. Passed the law in '09 yet it barely started until after the 2012 election completely on purpose. Now many requirements have been pushed pass this years mid-terms. And others have been blatantly pushed until 2016. Obama will be comfortably out of office when our whole health care system comes crumbling down.
Better enjoy our plans now. Trust me, they won't last. The Unions have essentially voted for the demise of their generous health care plans. Good one. And it's not just about whatever "plan" we end up with, even if that eventually means single payer. What really suffers is our whole system. Less doctors, less medical equipment, less hospitals/offices, meaning very long wait times. Go check out Canada. Need a routine MRI scan? Better get on a waiting list. Today in the US, you can easily get one same day.
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I still don't think Obamacare will ever see 2018. REPEALED!!! There will be another smoke in mirrors deal
JL 0513
Well-Known Member
Problem is it's designed to bankrupt insurance companies. 2018 may be too late. Obviously it ain't going anywhere though 2016. Then we would need a Republican President in 2017 along with a Republican Senate. The system may be too damaged to return to any feasible private industry. It's all set up to lead to single payer.
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JL,
No one will be able to afford it. So far most who have signed up are ---prisoners, senior citizens and the non workers. The one s it was designed for - the 20 to 35 yr Olds. Want nothing to do with it. This age group were supposed to pay a bulk of it's expenses
No one will be able to afford it. So far most who have signed up are ---prisoners, senior citizens and the non workers. The one s it was designed for - the 20 to 35 yr Olds. Want nothing to do with it. This age group were supposed to pay a bulk of it's expenses
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
I have a 26 year old that signed up. She's not old, incarcerated or unemployed. Responsible maybe.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Bankrupt insurance companies? You haven't been paying attention, bud. Obamacare is the biggest insurance handout in US history.
Just as Bush's Prescription Pill Medicare bill was.
The insurance companies are driving the car, man.
You're losing the shell game, bro.
brown bomber
brown bomber
My daughters have both had their health insurance premiums double since the "affordable" implementation......Thank you sir may I have another ??
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
She was not able to get benefits through her employer? Is she still in school?
JL 0513
Well-Known Member
For now. There's already talks of bailouts coming for insurance companies. Why do you think premiums are doubling and tripling right out of the gate? Only way to meet their costs. It's only going to get worse.
Think about logic for a second. When you mandate that an insurance company start covering pre-existing conditions it renders the "insurance" company a welfare handout entity. It's no longer insurance.
If you ran a car insurance company and the government came in and mandated that you now have to allow customers to sign up after pre-existing damage to their automobiles, what would that mean to your business? Customers could drive around without insurance until they get into an accident and significantly injures a family. Now after the fact, they can go shopping for insurance and the company now has to pay out huge sums as a result of those injuries. How long could you run your company for?
oldngray
nowhere special
The government has guaranteed to cover any losses by insurance companies so its a no risk money making plan for them.
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
Sub Teaching and Bartending. Trying to land a full time teaching gig.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
I wish her luck. School districts here are in cost-cutting mode.
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JL 0513
Well-Known Member
And yet the law was sold as "deficit neutral", LOL. This monstrosity will add trillions more to our debt. A trillion here, a trillion there... No big deal. It's only our kids and grand kids that will have nothing.
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