Ohio local 348 gets special treatment?

[Anonymous 10]

​Why would I know anything about Local 100?

Local 100 is one of those joke locals I was talking about earlier along with the likes of 413, 957, and 637. You don't really need to know anything about these locals unless you are looking at how not to run it into the ground.

 

[Bubblehead]

Being morphed with InsideUPS in your mind is a compliment I don't deserve, but thank you. I believe due to the skyrocketing HC cost increases over the last dozen years, the autonomy in Health Care coverage locals once desired has faded away. L348 most likely had their plan long ago and are or will struggle going forward to continue to provide equal coverage bigger plans offer.
I'm guessing you'll be disappointed in your pursuit of the "obvious autonomy" locals within the Central enjoy as you'll find no locals are starting HC or Pension plans anymore. I share that disappointment.
I am as unconvinced the IBT had a secret plan as you are convinced they did. I know TeamCare reps personally and they were scrambling all summer with this. No one likes surprises and had a plan been in place these guys would have known.

I am convinced in the wake of the many concessions contained in the Master and the Central Region supplement.
Had it been the company that was indeed looking to get out of the healthcare business, Ken H would have had a HUGE bargaining chip.
Should we feel better thinking that he just got his head kicked in at the negotiating table?
Were you one of the employees that were taken out of service to usher around and support the TeamCare reps while they were touring your Local?
Is this how you came to know TeamCare reps personally, or is it just a coincidence that you know them?

 

[chuchu]

All this time 348 had something besides the coveted company plan and no one was outraged?

Who's outraged? When everyone in your neighborhood is appearing to be getting robbed except one neighbor you start looking and asking questions.
I didn't care about anyone else's plans until my plan diminished
. No one said that 348's plan was coveted we just wanted details if possible. We're used to the Union looking out for us at contract time but now we're fending for ourselves.

I was told their BA was in Dayton for the healthcare information meeting and when the members of local 957 asked him why 348 was set apart in the lou he responded that it wasn't any of their concern. THAT kind of response peaks people's interest.
This isn't communist Romania. We are still (so far) able to ask questions.

I guess we're learning more about the healthcare issue as we go. Any of you blame any member for looking out for their family's health and welfare?
I wouldn't be as concerned about the TeamCare switch if the Union hierarchy had not allowed the fricking company to fill the TA with trash language that we, the dues paying members, will have to deal with for the next five years.
If the jerks in the lavish IBT offices in washington will allow this to happen when the"tree is green" what's going to happen when it's "dry"? Greedy idiots.

 

[chuchu]

Local 100 is one of those joke locals I was talking about earlier along with the likes of 413, 957, and 637. You don't really need to know anything about these locals unless you are looking at how not to run it into the ground.

Joke locals? Looks like the laugh is on you. Id be honored to be associated with stewards and members that stand up for their fellow UPSers. You must be one of the loser BAs that "serves" those locals. There's quite a load on those UPSers that have to drag the rest of the state out of the fire. Save it for the weekend drunk nite thread.

 

[Inthegame]

I am convinced in the wake of the many concessions contained in the Master and the Central Region supplement.
Had it been the company that was indeed looking to get out of the healthcare business, Ken H would have had a HUGE bargaining chip.
Should we feel better thinking that he just got his head kicked in at the negotiating table?
Were you one of the employees that were taken out of service to usher around and support the TeamCare reps while they were touring your Local?
Is this how you came to know TeamCare reps personally, or is it just a coincidence that you know them?

UPS would have continued HC but at costs to the members, retired and active, the IBT couldn't accept. So no, Ken H didn't get his head kicked. Having members spend big time on co-premiums would have been getting rolled but that didn't happen.
No, I didn't tour anywhere with TeamCare reps. I know two guys from TeamCare. Not best friends by any means but I see them socially from time to time. I anticipate seeing both guys next week at a Local Union fundraising function. Sorry, no ghosts in the closet.

 

[chuchu]

UPS would have continued HC but at costs to the members, retired and active, the IBT couldn't accept. So no, Ken H didn't get his head kicked. Having members spend big time on co-premiums would have been getting rolled but that didn't happen.
No, I didn't tour anywhere with TeamCare reps. I know two guys from TeamCare. Not best friends by any means but I see them socially from time to time. I anticipate seeing both guys next week at a Local Union fundraising function. Sorry, no ghosts in the closet.

Many FT members in my local would have gladly paid in $50 a week to keep the existing plan. A plan that is guaranteed in a contract is worth more to many employees. And the existing plan is superior to TeamCare with enhancements. Now, we're going to have to change GP and ocular doctors to be in the plans network. You can compare apples to apples when both plan's benefits are guaranteed. The other side of it is a lot of our veteran employees do NOT trust the Teamsters to run anything well. Just saying.

 

[hyena]

Local 100 is one of those joke locals I was talking about earlier along with the likes of 413, 957, and 637. You don't really need to know anything about these locals unless you are looking at how not to run it into the ground.

You hit close to home. Why are these locals jokes? I work hard to represent my brothers and sisters!

 

[Bubblehead]

You hit close to home. Why are these locals jokes? I work hard to represent my brothers and sisters!

Because they don't toe the line with the old guard mentality.
This mindset tends to be the case when a locals leadership turns over frequently.
The old guard and their white ballot elections make it easy to get their favorites in tow when they don't have to reign in new officials as frequently.
The system, as it is, unfortunately rewards these local officials with titles, extra salaries and additional pensions.
The problem arises when issues close to home conflict with the agendas of the IBT.
This is when they forget where they came from and sell out for personal gain.
The locals who don't have this dynamic, get labeled joke locals.

 

[Anonymous 10]

You hit close to home. Why are these locals jokes? I work hard to represent my brothers and sisters!

Yea I guess that came out wrong I apologize. What I meant was that these locals are looked at as jokes because of their agents and how they present cases. It doesn't help that some of these local have a revolving door with their business agents. Weather it's a rouge business agent that no one will deal with anymore or a guy getting popped for kiddy porn. Having a slate with a lot of longevity is a plus any the ones I mentioned are thought of by the higher up. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I bet there are some real good stewards in these locals and the members deserve more.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Local 348 ba just retired a couple weeks ago......

 

[Stonefish]

It isn't just one local in Ohio there are two.
Those local's have had their plans for decades and those plans don't just have UPS members in them so they can't just get out it isn't that simple.
Other locals in Ohio have unsuccessfully attempted to have their own plan. Yours may be one.
As far as you being embarrassed about missing a so called loophole in the Ohio Rider you should be real embarrassed about missing it in the very first sentence of Article 14, Section 1 of the CRT also.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Local 348 ba just retired a couple weeks ago......

Ziga Ziga Ziga. The new guy is a lot shorter.

 

[Stonefish]

I hear it's a work it progress, but every member it Ohio should see this. Can't wait til they finish it.

http://goo.gl/kZNmDy

You statement that 407 healthcare is already in Central States is not an accurate statement along with other information in your post. The part-time employees are in the company plan. You should try to make sure you give accurate information.

 

[Stonefish]

First off, I want to admit that I think I have been morphing InsideUPS and Inthegame into one poster in my mind.
Not sure if it is because of their common avatar or their similar posting styles as gentlemen who don't take these debates personally.

I have never asked for what Local 348 has, as I do not know what that is.
What I am exploring is the obvious autonomy available within supplements and riders.
I am insulted the way the IBT has tried to trick us into thinking that it was UPS who wanted out of the healthcare business, instead of the truth, that the IBT wanted us in their plan.
I think I fully understand the hidden dynamics at play here, but if I am going to be a martyr again, I feel I deserve to know it up front.
How can the revolving door that is Central States be seen with anything but sceptism by a UPSer?

​Why would I know anything about Local 100?

When you say you haven't asked for what Local 348 has, I have never posted on BC before just read posts. The reason I am posting is because it is insulting that you who have never negotiated a contract or presented a grievance are posting, without proof, that the IBT is trying to trick anyone. Also you are strongly misrepresenting the true by stating the IBT wanted us in their plan. Central States/TeamCare is not the IBT's plan.

 

[Anonymous 10]

It isn't just one local in Ohio there are two.
Those local's have had their plans for decades and those plans don't just have UPS members in them so they can't just get out it isn't that simple.
Other locals in Ohio have unsuccessfully attempted to have their own plan. Yours may be one.
As far as you being embarrassed about missing a so called loophole in the Ohio Rider you should be real embarrassed about missing it in the very first sentence of Article 14, Section 1 of the CRT also.

Oh I forgot about local 92.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Why does local 348 get special MOU treatment on their health care package in Ohio?

Come on now you're reaching. That's how it's always been. We lost about 17 routes to that local like 13 years ago. That's an old style local. No bonus and I like that. I have friends who are over there. The benefits are nothing special and you have to be 57 to retire I believe. One of the best things about that local is their president is the man in Ohio.

 

[Anonymous 10]

407 worked it out.

just a steward not a chance.

 

[Anonymous 10]

letter of understanding: local 348 will maintain their current health and welfare Plan throughout the life of this agreement.

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That's business as usual. If you have their benefits you would bitch up a storm. They are good but no matter what nobody is going to be happy because misery loves company. No disrespect.

 

[Anonymous 10]

I don't understand? How can one small local in Ohio be exempt from joining Teamcare like the rest of the state? How could they possibly be in the position to offer something superior or comparable to Teamcare? Why wouldn't they want to be part of the reported enormous buying power of Teamcare? Perhaps each local in Ohio can enjoy the same autonomy as Local 348? I am embarrassed that I missed this loophole in the Ohio Rider. Thanks chuchu for opening my eyes. I look forward to Inthegame's explanation.

Come on you don't want that. Let it go and Will yourself to the force of teamcare.

 

[Anonymous 10]

Because they were already in a union run healthcare plan. They are also in there own retirement plan. They have to be 57 to retire. They had a president in their local who had a lot of clout a while back. His name was Darrow. His son is now the local president. He's inherited a lot of the clout but it's not the same. They also only have about 300 ups members in this local. Also he is in charge of the Ohio rider.

You summed it up.