Parasites workers
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Wow your feeders started at 28.75/43.12 with this company all those years ago? I must have missed the gravy train
tieguy
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Wow your feeders started at 28.75/43.12 with this company all those years ago? I must have missed the gravy train
Simply pointing out that many make much more. You guys like to harp on the 8.50 wage rate when it stays that way for a very short time period. And yes there is no progression for drivers that move into feeders so their starting wage rate is full scale.
tieguy
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no problem my friend , I'm just glad to see you're able to put together complete sentences.
Unbreakable
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That is right people I work with don't work. I have to do their work because they are inept. (This describes management!!) They always ask what is the procedure when it comes to this task. You would think after years of doing the job, they would some kind of understanding of how to complete the task.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
I gotta chuckle at the stuff you guys fall for. This is a troll post if I ever saw one. Probably set up by tieguy.
OK. Let's assume it's a real post. Where do you work? Obviously not a driver. Not in the hub. Where?
I gotta chuckle at the stuff you guys fall for. This is a troll post if I ever saw one. Probably set up by tieguy.
OK. Let's assume it's a real post. Where do you work? Obviously not a driver. Not in the hub. Where?
Unbreakable
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Keep this in mind what we do for the customer today is not going to be enough tommorrow. The customer will always expect more from you and me.
The only "more" you have to do is to turn the screws on us. We are the ones doing "more," not you.
The only "more" you have to do is to turn the screws on us. We are the ones doing "more," not you.
tieguy
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Did you actually read the thread . all your questions have already been answered. The original posters ID is hawaii50. can you take an educated guess as to where he might be from?
Unbreakable
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Here is example of what I mean when other workers attach themselves to you. 7800 pieces coming off a feeder, and these peices has to built in 4 containers to make a contecting flight. This job has to been done in 35 minutes. That's 1950 pieces per container. There is only 2 workers assigned to do this, so management calls in a senior employee to help. This senior employee hides, when the 7800 pieces show up from the feeder. When the job almost completed the senior employee appears out of no where to help with last couple hundred pieces. The senior employee does this so the senior employee there is some kind of accountabilty when the load manifest are done. Now, this employee is parasite. Free money for very little work. Some of you may think well, that's not a good example of a parasite.
Ok....sounds like poor supervision to me. Where is the "boss?" It would seem like your argument is with him, not the employee.
By the way, do the senior employees actually ask you the "procedure" for loading the containers? LOL
Ok....sounds like poor supervision to me. Where is the "boss?" It would seem like your argument is with him, not the employee.
By the way, do the senior employees actually ask you the "procedure" for loading the containers? LOL
brownIEman
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brownIEman
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Well of course you are the ones doing more. Are you suggesting we as management should jump in and help move more packages? Wouldn't the IBT object?
Truthfully, all of us at UPS are continually asked for more from our customers, and therefore from the company. I believe your response and attitude come from largely not understanding what management actually do. It varies of course, but it is certainly not easy, or why wouldn't you be doing it?
As an example, I spent several years on a special assignment helping to set up new operations. I won't bore you with the details, suffice it to say, for about 3 years I left home Monday morning (sometimes Sunday night) and did not return home until Friday night or Saturday morning. I know other managers who have been doing that schedule for more than 10 years. I am guessing as frustrating as things get in your job, as long as the hours might be, at the end of the day you get to go home to your family.
Bottom line is there are no easy jobs at UPS, and ALL of our jobs are going to get tougher in the next year in this economy.
It is silly and ignorant for any of us, hourly or management, to assume the other side has an easy job.
Unbreakable
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The only "more" you have to do is to turn the screws on us. We are the ones doing "more," not you. Well of course you are the ones doing more. Are you suggesting we as management should jump in and help move more packages? Wouldn't the IBT object? In our hub the union rarely objects.
Truthfully, all of us at UPS are continually asked for more from our customers, and therefore from the company. I believe your response and attitude come from largely not understanding what management actually do. It varies of course, but it is certainly not easy, or why wouldn't you be doing it? I have no desire to be a UPS manager. I have too much integrity.
The ironic thing is that UPS managers aren't in high demnd anywhere else. Think about it. Do any companies actually see your experience at UPS as a plus? Not many, or else you would be accepting all the great offers from other companies. You are all trapped along with most of the hourlies.
As an example, I spent several years on a special assignment helping to set up new operations. I won't bore you with the details, suffice it to say, for about 3 years I left home Monday morning (sometimes Sunday night) and did not return home until Friday night or Saturday morning. I know other managers who have been doing that schedule for more than 10 years. I am guessing as frustrating as things get in your job, as long as the hours might be, at the end of the day you get to go home to your family.
Let's hope you were compensated far more than the average. Was it worth it?
Bottom line is there are no easy jobs at UPS, and ALL of our jobs are going to get tougher in the next year in this economy.
It is silly and ignorant for any of us, hourly or management, to assume the other side has an easy job.
My point is that it is that you overestimate your contribution if the only thing you are doing is strong arming some kid into loading, unloading, etc., faster. There is, after all, a maximum level of output. After that, you are trying to get blood out of a stone.
Truthfully, all of us at UPS are continually asked for more from our customers, and therefore from the company. I believe your response and attitude come from largely not understanding what management actually do. It varies of course, but it is certainly not easy, or why wouldn't you be doing it? I have no desire to be a UPS manager. I have too much integrity.
The ironic thing is that UPS managers aren't in high demnd anywhere else. Think about it. Do any companies actually see your experience at UPS as a plus? Not many, or else you would be accepting all the great offers from other companies. You are all trapped along with most of the hourlies.
As an example, I spent several years on a special assignment helping to set up new operations. I won't bore you with the details, suffice it to say, for about 3 years I left home Monday morning (sometimes Sunday night) and did not return home until Friday night or Saturday morning. I know other managers who have been doing that schedule for more than 10 years. I am guessing as frustrating as things get in your job, as long as the hours might be, at the end of the day you get to go home to your family.
Let's hope you were compensated far more than the average. Was it worth it?
Bottom line is there are no easy jobs at UPS, and ALL of our jobs are going to get tougher in the next year in this economy.
It is silly and ignorant for any of us, hourly or management, to assume the other side has an easy job.
My point is that it is that you overestimate your contribution if the only thing you are doing is strong arming some kid into loading, unloading, etc., faster. There is, after all, a maximum level of output. After that, you are trying to get blood out of a stone.
brownIEman
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brownIEman
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OK, I forgot, all UPS management have no integrity. We are all thieves and cheats and eat babies for breakfast. Now, I could make a counter claim and in some smarmy way imply that you and most hourlies are just not smart enough and lack the ambition to be in management. But that would be ignorant. Like, I don't know, saying you have to have no integrity to be in management.
I would disagree with you here, although I will admit I have not shopped out my resume in years. I have seen many management people leave and move on to less stressful pastures. For a while we were joking that UPS was the management training school for other companies. I have friends who have gone to Hamilton-Avnet, Waste Management, Pet-Smart, American Express, Ticket Master, Shell, just off the top of my head. In each case, they told me their experience at UPS was a big plus on the resume, due to UPS' reputation as a well run company with high standards of performance. I am sure it varies from region to region.
Nope, same compensation package as any other management person at my grade. Course, I did get to pocket tons of air miles and rental car and hotel points. Most of my vacations were basically free.
Was it worth it? At the time, there would have been times I would have said no, and sometimes yes. I worked with great people, learned a lot, and got to see parts of the country I would never have thought to see in my life. All in all, yeah it was worth it.
I would agree with your first sentence. Anyone who's only contribution is strong arming some young loader or unloader likely would overestimate their contribution. The problem is, there is no one in management who's only contribution is strong arming kids. If that is all a sup has to offer, and all he/she is capable of, they will be shown the door in relatively short order (they have no union after all). This is why I think your attitude is based on a mis-understanding of what they do. Their responsibility is greater than that. They need to understand their operations, and figure out ways to run them and keep them running as efficiently as possible. And yes, there is a theoretical maximum safe output, and this is what every operation should strive for everyday. The problem is, so many of our operations simply don't. Do you think this one is working at maximum efficiency -
OK Brownie, I'll admit that I do have some bias against management because of my experiences over the years, but for the first 15 years or so, the whole management credo was intimidation and harassment. Maybe this was different in other hubs or maybe the management I had to work for was closeminded and powerhungry. The difference is that I always gave a supe or manager a chance before I made a judgement about him or her. Sometimes I had a supe that was great to work for under one center manager or DM and hell to work for when he started to get pushed from above under another.The job was hard enough without hating to come in in the morning because you hated your boss.
On the flip side, I saw union workers that went out of their way to goof off or screw with management every chance they got, too. This only made it harder for them, but they never seemed to get it.
Some drivers would pal around with supes on their own time and get special treatment. When management couldn't get people to join the safety commitee, the guys that joined got in early or got light loads and they were some of the biggest parasites.
In closing, the place would run a lot better if both sides would lighten up and work together instead of against.
On the flip side, I saw union workers that went out of their way to goof off or screw with management every chance they got, too. This only made it harder for them, but they never seemed to get it.
Some drivers would pal around with supes on their own time and get special treatment. When management couldn't get people to join the safety commitee, the guys that joined got in early or got light loads and they were some of the biggest parasites.
In closing, the place would run a lot better if both sides would lighten up and work together instead of against.
brownIEman
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I have read through that thread. On the face, I would agree with you, and if what has been written there is the whole truth and nothing but, I certainly would say there are some management there that need a bit of coaching in dealing with their employees and union representatives. However, this again brings up my point about your own bias. You are assuming that what the anonymous hourly poster wrote was gospel. There are always 2 sides to every story, and in the case of people, usually neither of them is completely true and accurate. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I have not heard managements side on that debate (tie defends mgmnt, but is clearly not directly involved). So I really cannot say for sure who is most at fault. Clearly, I would TEND to give credence to info posted by a management member involved, as that is my bias, but certainly not to the point of just a blank acceptance of what they say. I would certainly question anything that does not sound plausible or reasonable.
PS- On a side note, congrats on 31 years, it is definitely something to be proud of. I hope you are enjoying the living crap out of your retirement!
Oh I'm enjoying every minute of it. A point about the Trenton incident is that the manager called the police to escort the union reps out of the building who told him that it is a labor issue and not their concern. This is about the third time I've seen such an incident mentioned in different posts in Brown Cafe. It's managers like this that cause the bad feelings at UPS. In their minds, they are little dictators who feel they can do what they want and waste the police's time when it should be resolved through labor talks and mediation. They have no regard for the contract. I saw the same kind of managers that would fire drivers for the most petty things just to hurt them monetarily and make others afraid for their jobs.
