Penalty for a wrongly denied request?

[iruhnman630]

Call in.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So you would put limits on it, just like there is now, 8 days in advance.

Yes but i would make it to where a younger driver who follows the rules doesn't get screwed by a senior driver who waits til the last minute.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I like the fact that call ins are forced to burn a day. Here they are allowed to take a dead day.

 

[dudebro]

I know this isn't going to be a normal situation, but say your best mate is getting married and wants you in the wedding party. You give your request 3 months in advance and management oks it. 2 weeks before the wedding a senior driver has a championship softball game their child is playing in, and management tells you that your previously approved request is now denied because someone more senior wants the day off.

Both are valid reasons to want a day off, but would you really be ok in that situation? I used those examples as weddings are usually planned in advance and championships for sporting events aren't set until much closer to the game itself as the preceding games still need to be played.

Give them both off and tell the PDS to run the -2 driver plan for that day.

 

[upschuck]

Yes but i would make it to where a younger driver who follows the rules doesn't get screwed by a senior driver who waits til the last minute.

So, what do you think is the appropriate time? 8 days seems good to me, since these days are mostly optional to take off.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

8 days is appropriate.

 

[Nimnim]

My svd request for tomorrow was denied 'by seniority.'

That's fine, except for the lower seniority driver who got his svd for tommorow.


Oops.

The lower seniority driver was planning on calling off Friday. Per the contract, call-in is forced to use svd if available. That is why he was added to the calender for svd for Friday, after my svd had been denied.

In other words, just call in every time.

Ok, you requested the day off ahead of time, nothing wrong there. The question I'm now having is how could your requested in advance day be superseded by someone who is going to call in the same day. If they call in and have to use an svd fine, but if it's known the day before or earlier then it's no longer a call out but a scheduled day and they should follow the proper procedure which would include seniority and past practice.

 

[iruhnman630]

Seniority removes all opinions about the importance of the reasons for requests.

Wedding, kids ball game, does not matter.

 

[iruhnman630]

. If they call in and have to use an svd fine, but if it's known the day before or earlier then it's no longer a call out but a scheduled day and they should follow the proper procedure which would include seniority and past practice.

Yup.

I don't think a call-in should be charged as an svd. You don't work, you don't get paid, unless a paid day is available for the day and the paid day is requested.

Single vacation days are just a spread out vacation week, and just like a vacation week, we should be allowed to use those days as we see fit.

 

[Nimnim]

Yup.

I don't think a call-in should be charged as an svd. You don't work, you don't get paid, unless a paid day is available for the day and the paid day is requested.

Single vacation days are just a spread out vacation week, and just like a vacation week, we should be allowed to use those days as we see fit.

In my area I believe the equivalent is option days. We all have some, and management is supposed to use them when you call in. They usually don't do it though and it just benefits us as you can't really be disciplined for attendance if they don't code you properly and you still have option days available. My experience is hourly in the hub and not driving though so it's a little different. Not having enough drivers vs too many people calling out from a hub shift and either asking people to stay for the next shift or calling people in early and not having to worry about DOT requirements and hours.

 

[iruhnman630]

I like the fact that call ins are forced to burn a day. Here they are allowed to take a dead day.

Should those who do not sign up for svd be forced to work a day during a vacation week for every day they call in?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Should those who do not sign up for svd be forced to work a day during a vacation week for every day they call in?

We don't have that option here so I can't comment on that.

 

[burrheadd]

IMO, time off requests should be "first come, first served".

That's why we have seniority get used to it

 

[burrheadd]

How is it fair to the younger driver if you are unable or unwilling to plan in advance?

Life is not fair. Younger driver needs to cool his jets until he gets a little hair

 

[burrheadd]

I know this isn't going to be a normal situation, but say your best mate is getting married and wants you in the wedding party. You give your request 3 months in advance and management oks it. 2 weeks before the wedding a senior driver has a championship softball game their child is playing in, and management tells you that your previously approved request is now denied because someone more senior wants the day off.

Both are valid reasons to want a day off, but would you really be ok in that situation? I used those examples as weddings are usually planned in advance and championships for sporting events aren't set until much closer to the game itself as the preceding games still need to be played.

This is where you make the call that does it all

 

[burrheadd]

Seniority removes all opinions about the importance of the reasons for requests.

Wedding, kids ball game, does not matter.

On the old 8 hour day slips you had to fill out there was a space that said why do you need off in 8 hours. Standard reply was
none ya

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

That's why we have seniority get used to it

I am #1 seniority PC in my center and I tell you that the current policy is unfair to younger drivers.

 

[burrheadd]

I am #1 seniority PC in my center and I tell you that the current policy is unfair to younger drivers.

How would you make it more fair?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

How would you make it more fair?

First come, first served within the 8 day window.

No dead days until all paid days (excluding vacations other than SVD) have been used.

 

[Orion inc.]

I am #1 seniority PC in my center and I tell you that the current policy is unfair to younger drivers.

Would you give up a day you wanted /needed so a lower driver can take it?