President Trump

vantexan

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Guess the Russians weren't as sloppy as we thought in obtaining the same end result. Went through pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs instead of straight to the Russians. LOL.
And yet Americans, Chinese, various other powers don't make any efforts to influence other nations' politics? Obama used U.S. taxpayer money, hundreds of millions, to try to encourage the defeat of Netanyahu in Israel. But so far there's been nothing presented that proves that Trump won due to Russian influence. The Dems put up a deeply flawed candidate who was a lousy campaigner. Trump may be deeply flawed too, but you can't say he didn't work hard to win. Well, you could say because people don't want to give him credit for anything.
 

MAKAVELI

Banned
And yet Americans, Chinese, various other powers don't make any efforts to influence other nations' politics? Obama used U.S. taxpayer money, hundreds of millions, to try to encourage the defeat of Netanyahu in Israel. But so far there's been nothing presented that proves that Trump won due to Russian influence. The Dems put up a deeply flawed candidate who was a lousy campaigner. Trump may be deeply flawed too, but you can't say he didn't work hard to win. Well, you could say because people don't want to give him credit for anything.
There is clear evidence his campaign worked with a foriegn government to influence the presidential election. Lol
 

Box Ox

What can be, unburdened by what has been.
And yet Americans, Chinese, various other powers don't make any efforts to influence other nations' politics? Obama used U.S. taxpayer money, hundreds of millions, to try to encourage the defeat of Netanyahu in Israel. But so far there's been nothing presented that proves that Trump won due to Russian influence. The Dems put up a deeply flawed candidate who was a lousy campaigner. Trump may be deeply flawed too, but you can't say he didn't work hard to win. Well, you could say because people don't want to give him credit for anything.

True or not, none of that is the same as a Presidential campaign manager having made $60 million from the Russian-backed Oligarchs he fed election polling data to.
 

vantexan

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There is clear evidence his campaign worked with a foriegn government to influence the presidential election. Lol
Manafort was canned early on due apparently to his Ukrainian dealings. What evidence do you have that Russian influence caused enough people to vote for Trump?
 

Box Ox

What can be, unburdened by what has been.
Manafort was canned early on due apparently to his Ukrainian dealings. What evidence do you have that Russian influence caused enough people to vote for Trump?

That's not something the Mueller investigation was ever told to try and determine. It's a moot point. The illegal activities of Manafort, Cohen and the Trump organized crime family that will be detailed in Mueller's report will be plenty.
 

MAKAVELI

Banned
Manafort was canned early on due apparently to his Ukrainian dealings. What evidence do you have that Russian influence caused enough people to vote for Trump?
He was the campaign chairman giving data to Russian ogliarchs tied to the Kremlin. I don't know what else you need.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
And yet Americans, Chinese, various other powers don't make any efforts to influence other nations' politics? Obama used U.S. taxpayer money, hundreds of millions, to try to encourage the defeat of Netanyahu in Israel. But so far there's been nothing presented that proves that Trump won due to Russian influence. The Dems put up a deeply flawed candidate who was a lousy campaigner. Trump may be deeply flawed too, but you can't say he didn't work hard to win. Well, you could say because people don't want to give him credit for anything.
You're obsessed with Israel.
It's weird.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
True or not, none of that is the same as a Presidential campaign manager having made $60 million from the Russian-backed Oligarchs he fed election polling data to.
Do you think they paid him $60 million for polling data? Or was it because they may get access to the president? And if so, the Russian group that put millions into the Clinton Foundation...trying to buy access? Arab States and numerous corporations and billionaires did the same. Seeking access? Hopefully all of this exposed what Washington is all about and something will be done about it. Highly doubtful, that's what they're all up there for.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
That's not something the Mueller investigation was ever told to try and determine. It's a moot point. The illegal activities of Manafort, Cohen and the Trump organized crime family that will be detailed in Mueller's report will be plenty.
Call names all you want but there's no organized crime family. That's just silly.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
He got fired when he got exposed. You seem very confused as to what the Russians tried an achieved during this election.
I keep asking you to clear it up for me. I keep getting told we'll have to wait to find out what Mueller has since nothing evidence wise has been presented yet. So far peripheral players who committed crimes, or may have in some cases, have been squeezed to try and find something to hang the president on. So far nothing concrete. They have actual evidence of Hillary committing felonies but no one is going after her. So far nothing on Trump but we'll have to just wait. And wait. And wait.
 

MAKAVELI

Banned
I keep asking you to clear it up for me. I keep getting told we'll have to wait to find out what Mueller has since nothing evidence wise has been presented yet. So far peripheral players who committed crimes, or may have in some cases, have been squeezed to try and find something to hang the president on. So far nothing concrete. They have actual evidence of Hillary committing felonies but no one is going after her. So far nothing on Trump but we'll have to just wait. And wait. And wait.
Dear lord. 2 years in he had complete control of Congress and the Senate, his handpicked DOJ and stil no charges against Hillary. Give it up bruh.
 
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