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[yadig]

Ya my gripe has never been “pay me UPS money”… it’s always been “pay me topped out FedEx money”. Because believe it or not there are guys that do less than me and make WAY more money.

People wonder how the company can pay low wages! Just read aqua man and Dano’s post! I’m guessing they wear ladies underwear!

 

[59 Dano]

I couldn't agree more. I don't do the same job as UPS. However, I do the same job as everyone else at FedEx.
So why don't we start by getting rid of the market levels and pay everyone the highest market level?

Because not everyone deserves it and it's almost impossible to fire the lousy couriers. They aren't going to go out of their way to pay good money to people who deserve it if it means they have to give the chumps that same money.

You're not really held accountable for anything. That's the tradeoff.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Because not everyone deserves it and it's almost impossible to fire the lousy couriers. They aren't going to go out of their way to pay good money to people who deserve it if it means they have to give the chumps that same money.

You're not really held accountable for anything. That's the tradeoff.

The wailings of an impotent manager, justifying his failure as a manager, because he knows only one management style.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

That's funny, I started at UPS in the 2010's at $8.50 an hour.

He was probably talking about driver wage

 

[59 Dano]

The wailings of an impotent manager, justifying his failure as a manager, because he knows only one management style.

Always great to hear what the idiots think, thanks again. Colts fan?

 

[Fred's Myth]

Always great to hear what the idiots think, thanks again. Colts fan?

Struck a little too close to the bone, I see.

You’ll survive.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

He was probably talking about driver wage

Ya but he said 1979, did they even have part timers yet? Either way I don't think the wage difference was so extreme at the beginning. Union dropped the ball by allowing it and the pt wage was flat for decades, negative when inflation adjusted.

 

[Aquaman]

Because not everyone deserves it and it's almost impossible to fire the lousy couriers. They aren't going to go out of their way to pay good money to people who deserve it if it means they have to give the chumps that same money.

You're not really held accountable for anything. That's the tradeoff.

It’s not a hard job. Managers like to think there are good and lousy couriers… when in reality there are stupid people who will run themselves to death for $20/hr, and not so stupid people that won’t. My work ethic is directly related to my pay. As is most peoples. It’s funny how UPS drivers can do SOOO much more work and work SOOO many more miserable hours…. When they’re paid $40/hr.

 

[yadig]

It’s not a hard job. Managers like to think there are good and lousy couriers… when in reality there are stupid people who will run themselves to death for $20/hr, and not so stupid people that won’t. My work ethic is directly related to my pay. As is most peoples. It’s funny how UPS drivers can do SOOO much more work and work SOOO many more miserable hours…. When they’re paid $40/hr.

Here’s someone who gets it!

 

[UnionStrong]

@Serf
I started UPS in 1979. Retired in 2009 @ 52
$10.70 an hour in 1979. Minimum wage was $2.90. I thought I had struck oil.

My first year driver rate in a 2 year progression was 12.17 an hour. 1990

 

[BrownFlush]

My first year driver rate in a 2 year progression was 12.17 an hour. 1990

I don't remember the progression.
I think it was 60 days or 90 maybe. I remember thinking when the 2 year deal came for the newbies I thought, what a burn.

 

[UnionStrong]

I don't remember the progression.
I think it was 60 days or 90 maybe. I remember thinking when the 2 year deal came for the newbies I thought, what a burn.

Now it’s 4 years. I bet it increases

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I don't remember the progression.
I think it was 60 days or 90 maybe. I remember thinking when the 2 year deal came for the newbies I thought, what a burn.

I started in 1989 and believe it was 2 years at that point.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Now it’s 4 years. I bet it increases

I think 4 years is about as long as they can push it without the union pushing back really hard on it.

 

[BrownFlush]

Now it’s 4 years. I bet it increases

It might of been 6 months.
Sounds like now, by the time a driver gets top pay, he's had enough and wants to quit.
But, after 5 years, I didn't know which day I went and wanted to quit.

 

[!Retired!]

14 year express RTD making $27.xx an hour. I understand the pay is bad. I’ve been making between $50K-$60K for years. The one thing I can say about this job is I’m home a lot. It’s why I haven’t left. Very VERY few class A CDL jobs are going to let you work 8 hours and go home. No other class A CDL job in the country is going to pay me to shuttle freight to the hub, sleep in the truck for 3-4 hours on the clock, and drive back… I know this job is a trucking unicorn. Will I ever make UPS money, no. And that’s cool.

When I see a UPS driver still delivering at 1900-2000, I'm glad I am where I am......home having dinner with my wife and kids

It’s not a hard job. Managers like to think there are good and lousy couriers… when in reality there are stupid people who will run themselves to death for $20/hr, and not so stupid people that won’t. My work ethic is directly related to my pay. As is most peoples. It’s funny how UPS drivers can do SOOO much more work and work SOOO many more miserable hours…. When they’re paid $40/hr.

If your work ethic is related to your pay, that's bad work ethics.

 

[59 Dano]

Struck a little too close to the bone, I see.

If only. Insults from the cheap seats sting the least.

 

[59 Dano]

It’s not a hard job. Managers like to think there are good and lousy couriers… when in reality there are stupid people who will run themselves to death for $20/hr, and not so stupid people that won’t. My work ethic is directly related to my pay. As is most peoples. It’s funny how UPS drivers can do SOOO much more work and work SOOO many more miserable hours…. When they’re paid $40/hr.

"I'll work harder for more money, like that $3 surge pay. If they can't give me a little extra, I can't give them a little extra."
They end up getting that $3.
"I'm not going to work any harder because it's just for a couple of months."
It's extended.
"I'm not going to work any harder because I see it as them catching up with what they already owe me."

There are good workers and lousy workers. The good ones are good no matter what and the bad ones are bad no matter what. One group makes excuses and the other doesn't.

 

[59 Dano]

If your work ethic is related to your pay, that's bad work ethics.

And if your work ethic is related to your pay, you probably make a lot of excuses.

 

[Aquaman]

"I'll work harder for more money, like that $3 surge pay. If they can't give me a little extra, I can't give them a little extra."
They end up getting that $3.
"I'm not going to work any harder because it's just for a couple of months."
It's extended.
"I'm not going to work any harder because I see it as them catching up with what they already owe me."

There are good workers and lousy workers. The good ones are good no matter what and the bad ones are bad no matter what. One group makes excuses and the other doesn't.

My station never got the $3 bump. All the big stations around us did… tell me what that did for work ethic lol.