Schumer Shutdown Showdown

[Catatonic]

What I have heard ... he wanted to just take it away completely ... has he changed his mind on this matter since being elected?

That was his first choice and when that fell through then he stated his BATNA* as letting Obamacare die on the vine.

Best alternative to a negotiated agreement - Wikipedia
*BATNA - Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement

 

[newfie]

Republicans are making history, a party that controls both houses of congress and the White House has never shut the government down before. ?

they wont this time either #schumershutdown

 

[newfie]

i'm tired of the shutdown games from both sides. Trump should let schumer shut it down then pull an Obama and decide what is essential. Make sure the troops get paid. shut down the epa and the welfare and other bull then just ride it out with his feet up on the oval office desk.

 

[newfie]

Chuck just arrived at the white house at the president's invitation. I'll bet Nancy is fuming!!!!

she's busy taking care of important things

Pelosi to guest-judge 'RuPaul's Drag Race'

 

[Catatonic]

i'm tired of the shutdown games from both sides. Trump should let schumer shut it down then pull an Obama and decide what is essential. Make sure the troops get paid. shut down the epa and the welfare and other bull then just ride it out with his feet up on the oval office desk.

Shutdowns don't bother me.
I've lived through over a half-dozen and I never even noticed.

Politicians abhor shutdowns because the public can see what little difference it makes.

 

[It will be fine]

you blow up the rulez so every bill only needs 51 votes to pass, that means budgers, daca or whatever

Every bill does only require 51 votes to pass. Mitch doesn't have that, no one is filibustering on the dem side.

 

[newfie]

What is Trumps plan 2 take action over Obama care ?

he's killed the mandate tax , he signed executive orders opening up the state lines to create more competition. He's basically done what he promised.

 

[Future]

he's killed the mandate tax , he signed executive orders opening up the state lines to create more competition. He's basically done what he promised.

Soooo this is good ... I remember when he campaigning mentioning it ... but not sure how it all works

 

[Turdferguson]

Shutdowns don't bother me.
I've lived through over a half-dozen and I never even noticed.

Politicians abhor shutdowns because the public can see what little difference it makes.

You hate government anyway. You're probably doing a little dance right now anyway

 

[newfie]

Shutdowns don't bother me.
I've lived through over a half-dozen and I never even noticed.

Politicians abhor shutdowns because the public can see what little difference it makes.

agree I'm just tired of the games. look at all the wasted time and tax payer money watching all those blow hards on both sides grandstand.

 

[Babagounj]

Now I see why the Ds see him as unfit to hold his office .
No politician has ever fulfilled their campaign promises .

 

[It will be fine]

Soooo this is good ... I remember when he campaigning mentioning it ... but not sure how it all works

Depends for who your talking about. Young people that typically don't need insurance save a few hundred bucks. Everyone else sees their premiums go up because those young healthy people are out of the pool.

 

[newfie]

Soooo this is good ... I remember when he campaigning mentioning it ... but not sure how it all works

those were the main objections to the Obama care plan. the idea that in a free enterprise country you would force people to pay for something i.e. the individual mandate.

one of trumps biggest arguments against Obamacare has been that insurance companies could not comptete across state lines. when the repeal of Obamacare failed trump then pulled an Obama and signed executive orders that fixed this issue.

its a market based solution that creates competition and therefore helps keep costs down.

 

[newfie]

Depends for who your talking about. Young people that typically don't need insurance save a few hundred bucks. Everyone else sees their premiums go up because those young healthy people are out of the pool.

they were out of the pool anyway. the ones not carried on their parents plan until the ridiculous age of 26 chose to pay the fine rather then pay in. that's one reason Obamacare was collapsing.

look at this another way. to keep the cost of cars down I'm going to force you to go out and buy a new car every year. if you don't do so you have to pay the government a tax to cover the revenue sales tax they would have gained if you had bought that car. this whole plan goes against everything this country stands for

 

[It will be fine]

those were the main objections to the Obama care plan. the idea that in a free enterprise country you would force people to pay for something i.e. the individual mandate.

one of trumps biggest arguments against Obamacare has been that insurance companies could not comptete across state lines. when the repeal of Obamacare failed trump then pulled an Obama and signed executive orders that fixed this issue.

its a market based solution that creates competition and therefore helps costs down.

There won't be any plans sold across state lines. Insurance cost savings come from their coverage networks and expanding one network to cover multiple states doesn't make much sense.

Obama had to be sold on the mandate himself. He used to believe that if the product was cheap enough and worthwhile young people would buy it voluntarily. The insurance companies wanted the mandate in exchange for covering pre-existing conditions. The mandate penalties weren't very steep anyway so it likely had little effect on enrollment, it's repeal likely won't change much either, beyond premium increases for everyone that remains covered.

 

[newfie]

There won't be any plans sold across state lines. Insurance cost savings come from their coverage networks and expanding one network to cover multiple states doesn't make much sense.

Obama had to be sold on the mandate himself. He used to believe that if the product was cheap enough and worthwhile young people would buy it voluntarily. The insurance companies wanted the mandate in exchange for covering pre-existing conditions. The mandate penalties weren't very steep anyway so it likely had little effect on enrollment, it's repeal likely won't change much either, beyond premium increases for everyone that remains covered.

he was wrong and you were wrong. time to move on and try something else.

 

[It will be fine]

he was wrong and you were wrong. time to move on and try something else.

Nothing else has been suggested or passed into law. Pre-ACA insurance markets were terrible. I got quotes for skinny plans this year and they weren't much cheaper and carried a heck of lot more risk with annual and lifetime coverage caps. They seemed designed to fool people into believing they had insurance only to screw them if they actually got sick and needed to use it.

 

[newfie]

Nothing else has been suggested or passed into law. .

something else is being tried now. individual mandate has been eliminated and a free market solution applied. try to keep up.

 

[It will be fine]

something else is being tried now. individual mandate has been eliminated and a free market solution applied. try to keep up.

I think we both agreed the mandate wasn't doing much. The ACA is a free market solution, it was based on the heritage foundation response to universal coverage. Going backwards isn't trying something new.

 

[vantexan]

Every bill does only require 51 votes to pass. Mitch doesn't have that, no one is filibustering on the dem side.

Normally they require at least 60. 51 is considered the "nuclear" option, but since Harry Reid went with it it doesn't seem so nuclear anymore. But McConnell has to approve it.