Should the Teamsters/UPS 401k plan allocate to Bitcoin ETF when approved?

Should the Teamsters/UPS 401k plan allocate to Bitcoin ETF when approved?

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Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
It’s foreign countries banks buying the debt m. When they cash out it’s gonna rough for American citizen.
Not liking how fast this stuff is rolling out. Credit, mandatory home upgrades, tariffs, single family zoning. Kids are up against serious odds. Do your research gentlemen. Good fortune.
 
Japan is saving our bacon
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BadIdeaGuy

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Staff member
We both know they are. Might as well get going. Stop stalling.
The job of the pension is to provide stability in retirement.

Bitcoin is not, and has never been an asset that could be regarded as “stable”.

In its current state it is unfit to be what backs our pensions.
 

BadIdeaGuy

Moderator
Staff member
Take the games and put into some bonds before the market crashes in the rates go back down to next to nothing
I discussed something similar with a coworker in 2017.

He had half a million dollars in some altcoin from like 5k in investment.

Wouldn’t pull any out.
Two months later, he had lost about 300K.

Always take some profit off the table.
 

100%ORIONComplianceGuy

25+ Year UPSer and Teamster
The job of the pension is to provide stability in retirement.

Bitcoin is not, and has never been an asset that could be regarded as “stable”.

In its current state it is unfit to be what backs our pensions.
We want stability. But not stagnant like growth. Bitcoin counters inflation and, for that reason alone, should be included in any retirement plan. How much is a $3500/month pension worth twenty years from now after inflation?

And its Sharpe ratio is positive from inception to now. As high as 5.18. Volatility isn’t automatically a bad thing.
 

Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
We told them don’t you dare liquidate our treasuries.
The job of the pension is to provide stability in retirement.

Bitcoin is not, and has never been an asset that could be regarded as “stable”.

In its current state it is unfit to be what backs our pensions.
We will pay the deserved price. When you have funded/underfunded plans it shows lack of planning and communication. This here is unfit and needs to be called out considering how heavy people are with its backing…
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Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
I discussed something similar with a coworker in 2017.

He had half a million dollars in some altcoin from like 5k in investment.

Wouldn’t pull any out.
Two months later, he had lost about 300K.

Always take some profit off the table.
Altcoin…… Post is about ETF. If personally rolling with alt chunk $ dine and dash. You will get burned.
 

BadIdeaGuy

Moderator
Staff member
Altcoin…… Post is about ETF. If personally rolling with alt chunk $ dine and dash. You will get burned.
You brought up GameStop, so altcoins are on the table as well.

And post in English. The cryptic half sentences are unhelpful to your cause to say the least.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
This is false.

Bitcoin *currently* has a fixed supply, with the promise of collective wisdom preventing future inflation.

I do not trust this to be a constant therefore.
I’m a little bit confused. I thought true cryptocurrency champions hated fake Fiat backed by our federal reserve. Why would they want bitcoin to be an investment vehicle for something that pays out in Fake fiat?
 

Over70irregs

Well-Known Member
This is false.

Bitcoin *currently* has a fixed supply, with the promise of collective wisdom preventing future inflation.

I do not trust this to be a constant therefore.
Don’t have to trust. You can run your own node to verify for yourself. Ask the people in Central Pension how trust went. If they could have verified their funds it would not be underfunded and/or made adjustments accordingly.
 

BadIdeaGuy

Moderator
Staff member
Don’t have to trust. You can run your own node to verify for yourself. Ask the people in Central Pension how trust went. If they could have verified their funds it would not be underfunded and/or made adjustments accordingly.
The trustees have a fiduciary duty to protect the assets in their care.

Speculation on Bitcoin would be irresponsible.
 
Don’t have to trust. You can run your own node to verify for yourself. Ask the people in Central Pension how trust went. If they could have verified their funds it would not be underfunded and/or made adjustments accordingly.
The problem with the Central States and many other funds , if they was multi-emporter funds.

Unfortunately too many of these companies had went belly up and no longer contribute

But they still have many orphans collecting pensions
 
We told them don’t you dare liquidate our treasuries.

Your reaching…grasping. Relax. Siri makes it hard on me sometimes with talk to text.
The government needs the control its spending.

The FED really messed up after covid when I started issuing short-term treasuries
The rights was very low they should have done 10, 20 and 30 year treasuries
At 1% or less
 
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