That isn't the question, so you consider blm, antifa to be leftist?
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So you are behind their beliefs?
BeefiestMass
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BLm is just an racially based anti-police brutality movement. I think it's still predominantly left-wing, but not overwhelmingly so. A lot of mainstream liberals in there.
Antifa is a tactic and is inherently Leftist. There is no one doing Antifa stuff who isn't a Leftist. Plenty of people doing Leftist stuff that aren't Antifa, though. Again Antifa is mostly a game Anarchists play, esp in this country
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The Driver
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Certainly for more left than right. So what.
So maybe BLMers were present in large numbers at the Capitol on January 6?
BeefiestMass
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Anything's possible, but I don't see why they'd be there. Typically they just show up re race based police brutality. Plus they're all leftists and liberals, they're not organized enough for anything sneaky and/or productive.
The Driver
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We should do everything we can to find out.
zubenelgenubi
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Unindicted Co-Conspirators in 1/6 Cases Raise Disturbing Questions of Federal Foreknowledge - Revolver News
Unindicted co-conspirators could unravel the full story of what the FBI knew in advance about the January 6th Capitol Riots.
www.revolver.news
"One of the key consensus points among the FBI-DOJ and the regime media is the idea that, while 1/6 is primarily the fault of Trump-supporting QAnon-infused 'domestic terrorists,' it is secondarily the fault of so-called 'intelligence failures.'
Klobuchar’s own question at the March 2, 2021 FBI hearing (above) reinforces this 'intelligence failure' narrative, but she is not alone. A five-month 'bipartisan' Senate investigation recently arrived at the very same 'intelligence failure' narrative to explain the breach of the Capitol and associated events on 1/6:
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Wait, I thought Congress hasn't investigated this yet. I guess 5 months of a bipartisan Senate investigation isn't an investigation.
"Here it is useful to draw a distinction between two discrete categories of participants in the so-called Capitol Siege.
The first category is the group of mostly harmless tourists who walked through already opened doors and already-removed barricades, and at most were guilty of minor trespassing charges and light property offenses. The second group consists of those who were violent with police officers, broke down barricades, smashed windows, belonged to a “militia” group engaged in military-style planning prior to the event, discussed transporting heavy weaponry, and so forth.
Up until now, the overwhelming (perhaps exclusive) share of counter-establishment reporting on 1/6 has focused on absolving the first group. And this is a valuable thing. The notion that these harmless “MAGA moms” wandering around the Capitol were domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection is absurd. That many of these people are being held in prison, without bail, under harsh conditions, amounts to an unacceptable and outrageous abuse of basic human rights."
SMH
Except this time they didn't foil their terror plot. Kinda makes you wonder why.
zubenelgenubi
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Why bother? Everyone has their own idea of what all the terms mean, to the point that they're meaningless.
oldngray
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What is funny is so many of the leftists claim they are centrists or moderates. They surround themselves with nothing but liberals and think anyone even slightly to their right are far right extremists.
BeefiestMass
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It's not at all, it's just reality. Liberalism is based on completely different things than most Leftist ideologies. It can be left-wing or right-wing, but it's limited in how far in either direction it can go.
Tbh Liberal isn't a very useful term in the US bc it's the predominant ideology. Democrats, Libertarians, and most Republicans are all Liberals. We have now and always have had a Liberal economic and political system here.
BeefiestMass
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Leftists don't hesitate to tell you they are Leftists. Right-wing extremists don't hesitate to tell you they're right-wing extremists. So I half agree. I can't stand
like calling everyone fascists or communists. People who do that are wrong 100% of the time.
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BeefiestMass
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Political spectrum wise, left, right, center, yes, it's very relative and there's not much point. But ideologies like Liberalism and Anarchism have real meanings.
oldngray
nowhere special
Many liberals try to rebrand themselves as "progressives". Still same philosophies.
BeefiestMass
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That's not true either! Progressivism also has a distinct meaning--and it's *considerably* further left than mainstream Democrats. But many of the liberals who do try that rebranding don't know that, they're just self-hating Liberals.
zubenelgenubi
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The thing is, I consider myself aligned with conservative values, but if this were 1776, I would be considered a liberal.
Anyone who thinks individual liberty can be stolen in small chunks by commitee, or all at once by force or coercion, are in favor of tyranny, whether the source of tyranny be government or private enterprise. It's a mistake believe that private tyranny is any better than public.
As such, the only useful distinction is between people who favor concentrated power and those who favor individual liberty. Those are the two polar opposites that cannot be reconciled. Anyone considering themselves moderate would be for balancing the interests of power and the interests of individual liberty. On that spectrum I find myself somewhere between the middle and unbridled individual liberty. Everything else, conservative-liberal, left-right, public-private, race, class, gender, it's all meant to confuse, distract and divide while those inclined to concentrate power into their own hands go about their business with little resistance.
Just go with Marxists and be happy.
zubenelgenubi
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But no one understands them and uses terms as they see fit. And even the definitions of ideologies have a certain level of subjectivity to them.
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