The anti-woke movement

[rickyb]

Maybe not. But I can confirm for Ian and Elon that the "Teachers when I was a kid" depiction is accurate. The "Teachers now" depiction is obviously accurate in 2023.

whats wrong with capitalists selling their business to workers so they can all run it and have more worker power?

 

[BrownFlush]

whats wrong with capitalists selling their business to workers so they can all run it and have more worker power?

Ask Weirton Steel.

 

[rickyb]

Ask Weirton Steel.

but was it run democratically?

 

[BrownFlush]

but was it run democratically?

Look it up.

 

[vantexan]

whats wrong with capitalists selling their business to workers so they can all run it and have more worker power?

A young woman goes to college. Studies veterinary medicine. Graduates, starts her own animal clinic with financial assistance from her parents. Hires a receptionist and an assistant. Eventually as practice expands she hires two others.

According to you that young veterinarian should share everything equally with her workers. Everything should be voted on. Never mind that people bring their pets to be seen by her. It's her education, her training, her experience they are paying for. She is the reason her employees have a job. Yet she isn't to be rewarded anymore than her receptionist. If the majority rules then the young veterinarian must take her turn manning the front desk and answering phones if voted on.

Do you ever stop and think just how stupid you sound when you push this stuff?

 

[UnionStrong]

whats wrong with capitalists selling their business to workers so they can all run it and have more worker power?

Another message from clown world

 

[rickyb]

A young woman goes to college. Studies veterinary medicine. Graduates, starts her own animal clinic with financial assistance from her parents. Hires a receptionist and an assistant. Eventually as practice expands she hires two others.

According to you that young veterinarian should share everything equally with her workers. Everything should be voted on. Never mind that people bring their pets to be seen by her. It's her education, her training, her experience they are paying for. She is the reason her employees have a job. Yet she isn't to be rewarded anymore than her receptionist. If the majority rules then the young veterinarian must take her turn manning the front desk and answering phones if voted on.

Do you ever stop and think just how stupid you sound when you push this stuff?

Im not talking about equal pay lol

the vet depends on her secretary, dont forget that

 

[Next Day Err]

whats wrong with capitalists selling their business to workers so they can all run it and have more worker power?

There’s nothing stopping them from doing that under current law, as far as I know.

The reason that entrepreneur’s don’t do this is probably because they lose entrepreneurial control over their enterprise. Why even take the risk that the thing will run the way you hope it would if you’re just going to sell it over to workers immediately? What value to the workers would it have from the jump anyway?

 

[vantexan]

Im not talking about equal pay lol

the vet depends on her secretary, dont forget that

Of course you are. From the start you've been saying everyone will be equal with an equal say in how everything is done. And share equally in the profits. That the capitalists keep all the money for themselves.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Of course you are. From the start you've been saying everyone will be equal with an equal say in how everything is done. And share equally in the profits. That the capitalists keep all the money for themselves.

Which, would stifle innovation and new business right from the beginning. There would be no business for workers to take over because the entrepreneur wouldn’t bother, because there is no reward.

 

[Next Day Err]

@rickyb wants workers to buy the business from the capitalist and set up the enterprise to share the rewards more equally. But why would the workers necessarily want to take the risk? Isn’t a perk of simple employment the fact that you’re merely a tool of the organization and bear no financial risk of the company’s debts and possible financial failure other than lose employment?

 

[Thebrownblob]

@rickyb wants workers to buy the business from the capitalist and set up the enterprise to share the rewards more equally. But why would the workers necessarily want to take the risk? Isn’t a perk of simple employment the fact that you’re merely a tool of the organization and bear no financial risk of the company’s debts and possible financial failure other than lose employment?

Imagine @rickyb in charge of something that you rely on to feed your family……

 

[Next Day Err]

Imagine @rickyb in charge of something that you rely on to feed your family……

The answer is stronger union activity, not worker-ran companies. Keep the two separated for the most part. I’m all about freedom but this kind of worker-ran set up is just not what most workers want anyway.

 

[vantexan]

The answer is stronger union activity, not worker-ran companies. Keep the two separated for the most part. I’m all about freedom but this kind of worker-ran set up is just not what most workers want anyway.

He can't seem to understand that the wealthy plow their money back into investments that fund business and create jobs. He thinks the wealthy just keep all the money and live it up. If he got an equal piece of the pie he'd spend it upgrading his lifestyle. But that will only take the economy so far.

 

[rickyb]

@rickyb wants workers to buy the business from the capitalist and set up the enterprise to share the rewards more equally. But why would the workers necessarily want to take the risk? Isn’t a perk of simple employment the fact that you’re merely a tool of the organization and bear no financial risk of the company’s debts and possible financial failure other than lose employment?

workers bear risk as employees

 

[rickyb]

He can't seem to understand that the wealthy plow their money back into investments that fund business and create jobs. He thinks the wealthy just keep all the money and live it up. If he got an equal piece of the pie he'd spend it upgrading his lifestyle. But that will only take the economy so far.

the wealthy have destroyed america by crushing unions, deindustrializing, and indebting the private sector

 

[rickyb]

The answer is stronger union activity, not worker-ran companies. Keep the two separated for the most part. I’m all about freedom but this kind of worker-ran set up is just not what most workers want anyway.

guys i listen to say the solution is unions and worker run companies

 

[rickyb]

Imagine @rickyb in charge of something that you rely on to feed your family……

i could easily do a better job than biden, trump, or obama

 

[rickyb]

Of course you are. From the start you've been saying everyone will be equal with an equal say in how everything is done. And share equally in the profits. That the capitalists keep all the money for themselves.

vantexan the reason you dont know anything is because you watch MSM

 

[rickyb]

There’s nothing stopping them from doing that under current law, as far as I know.

The reason that entrepreneur’s don’t do this is probably because they lose entrepreneurial control over their enterprise. Why even take the risk that the thing will run the way you hope it would if you’re just going to sell it over to workers immediately? What value to the workers would it have from the jump anyway?

part of the reason is its probably below just below workers thoughts that they should own their own labor instead of renting themselves as employees.

when jedi master jeremy corbyn was running for leader of UK, his party proposed that owners who are going into retirement offer their workers first choice to buy out hte company and turn it into a cooperative

workers are happier in worker run biz because obviously theres less power corruption.