The big bang theory

[Fred's Myth]

I’m not scared of your boyfriend I don’t care if he is 7”6.

 

[El Correcto]

There’s some fact mixed in to his bull.
I’m glad you at least acknowledge evolution, even if you take out natural selection and grant it to a creator without any provable evidence and ignoring the provable evidence we do have.

 

[Fred's Myth]

There’s some fact mixed in to his bull*.
I’m glad you at least acknowledge evolution, even if you take out natural selection and grant it to a creator without any provable evidence and ignoring the provable evidence we do have.

I’m not a fundamentalist, you’re confusing me with your adversary.

Stephen Meyer simply points out the flaw in evolutionary theory. It never explains, always assumes, the origin of life. Meyer, based on empirical evidence, logically attributes the genetic code which life is based upon, to an intelligent source. Chance was eliminated as a possibility.

Theists believe ‘God Revealed’ to be that intelligent source because no one else but Him has claimed to be. The Bible contains the history of His revelation.

 

[Mutineer]

How about this?

A supernatural experience. The supernatural is impossible to prove or disprove. I have yet to have had one. Nothing even close.

Sort of like winning the lottery. That only seems to happen to 'other' people. Personally, I do not play the lottery. Therefore, it's no surprise that I never win.

As with the paranormal, it only seems to happen to 'other' people. I do not believe in a creator, go to church, or otherwise seek it. I do not play that 'lottery'. And isn't it somewhere in scripture that reads "as ye seek so shall ye find." ?

Having a supernatural experience would go a very long way towards convincing me of the notion of a creator. I personally know only one credible person who has claimed to have seen a ghost.

Would it be reasonable to say that if a person believes in a god, by default, that person also believes in ghosts, and that a paranormal manifestation and a creator are the same kind of entity? And that would open a door to all kinds of ooga-booga.
I think it should be considered that there are some things that human beings are simply not equipped to understand.

 

[BrownFlush]

How about this?

A supernatural experience. The supernatural is impossible to prove or disprove. I have yet to have had one. Nothing even close.

Sort of like winning the lottery. That only seems to happen to 'other' people. Personally, I do not play the lottery. Therefore, it's no surprise that I never win.

As with the paranormal, it only seems to happen to 'other' people. I do not believe in a creator, go to church, or otherwise seek it. I do not play that 'lottery'. And isn't it somewhere in scripture that reads "as ye seek so shall ye find." ?

Having a supernatural experience would go a very long way towards convincing me of the notion of a creator. I personally know only one credible person who has claimed to have seen a ghost.

Would it be reasonable to say that if a person believes in a god, by default, that person also believes in ghosts, and that a paranormal manifestation and a creator are the same kind of entity? And that would open a door to all kinds of ooga-booga.
I think it should be considered that there are some things that human beings are simply not equipped to understand.

By supernatural I assume you mean miraculous ?
Doesn't happen. Won't happen . Hasn't happened for 2000 years. The age and purpose of and for miracles ended when the last person who had the Apostles hands laid on them died. We use the therm "miracle" loosely.... "My kid being born and making it through all the problems was a miracle!" Nope. There is an explanation. You not knowing the explanation doesn't make it a miracle.
A miracle by definition is "against nature." If you see someone floating in air (you will never see it) or walking on water, that's "against " the laws of nature.
Seen a ghost? Sorry, never happened. The place of the dead is not roaming this physical earth. The time of seeing spirits, angels, being possessed by demons, etc.also ended 2000 years ago.
Yes, there are things we don't understand, but the Bible has equipped us to know what does and doesn't happen even if we can't explain it.

 

[Fred's Myth]

How about this?

A supernatural experience. The supernatural is impossible to prove or disprove. I have yet to have had one. Nothing even close.

Sort of like winning the lottery. That only seems to happen to 'other' people. Personally, I do not play the lottery. Therefore, it's no surprise that I never win.

As with the paranormal, it only seems to happen to 'other' people. I do not believe in a creator, go to church, or otherwise seek it. I do not play that 'lottery'. And isn't it somewhere in scripture that reads "as ye seek so shall ye find." ?

Having a supernatural experience would go a very long way towards convincing me of the notion of a creator. I personally know only one credible person who has claimed to have seen a ghost.

Would it be reasonable to say that if a person believes in a god, by default, that person also believes in ghosts, and that a paranormal manifestation and a creator are the same kind of entity? And that would open a door to all kinds of ooga-booga.
I think it should be considered that there are some things that human beings are simply not equipped to understand.

Why would you need to have a paranormal/supernatural experience in order to believe in a superior intelligence?

Do you believe that the code, written to develop a computer program, occurred spontaneously?
The genetic code written into our DNA is exponentially more complex. If chemical, mechanical, or chance forces have been eliminated, and the example has been displayed by intelligent human programmers, what other honest conclusion should we come to? What else besides a superior intelligence?

 

[Mutineer]

By supernatural I assume you mean miraculous ?

Yes. Sort of. The physical manifestation of a spirit (good, evil, or benign) while in my presence would be 'miraculous' and that would probably convince me.

Why would you need to have a paranormal/supernatural experience in order to believe in a superior intelligence?

Because that would be proof. And that intelligence doesn't need to be "superior." Only 'different.'

 

[BrownFlush]

Yes. Sort of. The physical manifestation of a spirit (good, evil, or benign) while in my presence would be 'miraculous' and that would probably convince me.

Because that would be proof. And that intelligence doesn't need to be "superior." Only 'different.'

Sorry. Not going to happen.
Jesus told of the rich man who had died and wanted someone to come back from the dead and go to his brothers who were still living so they could be warned of the torment he was suffering ,and that would convince them if someone would come back from the dead.
Response?
“They have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them”
Meaning? Moses and the prophets had been dead for centuries when Jesus told of this. What they had was what was written. If that wasn’t enough for them, sorry about your lack of faith. What is written is God ‘s way of communication to you.
You have what’s written. If that’s not enough, Nothing else is coming or going to happen to convince you.

 

[Fred's Myth]

Yes. Sort of. The physical manifestation of a spirit (good, evil, or benign) while in my presence would be 'miraculous' and that would probably convince me.

Because that would be proof. And that intelligence doesn't need to be "superior." Only 'different.'

Or it would mean you ingested a hallucinogenic.

 

[Mutineer]

You have what’s written. If that’s not enough, Nothing else is coming or going to happen to convince you.

All things considered, I think that is the only fair and reasonable conclusion to this debate.

 

[El Correcto]

You have what’s written. If that’s not enough, Nothing else is coming or going to happen to convince you.

Yea all you have is silly Jewish folk tales. Glad you acknowledge this. Now quit denying 200+ years of scientific advancement in our understanding of reality based on this.

 

[El Correcto]

I’m not a fundamentalist, you’re confusing me with your adversary.

Stephen Meyer simply points out the flaw in evolutionary theory. It never explains, always assumes, the origin of life. Meyer, based on empirical evidence, logically attributes the genetic code which life is based upon, to an intelligent source. Chance was eliminated as a possibility.

Theists believe ‘God Revealed’ to be that intelligent source because no one else but Him has claimed to be. The Bible contains the history of His revelation.

Meyer is a religious man who seeks to move science back to a time of trying to under God’s miracles instead of objective reality decrying the last 200 years of moving away from trying to understand and attribute things to the divine. You ignore the empire evidence and hard data pointing the other direction and call it assuming, that is exactly what Meyer is doing, assuming.
Evolutionists stand on much more solid ground than “magic man in the sky did it.”, that is what Meyer is claiming without proof.

 

[vantexan]

By supernatural I assume you mean miraculous ?
Doesn't happen. Won't happen . Hasn't happened for 2000 years. The age and purpose of and for miracles ended when the last person who had the Apostles hands laid on them died. We use the therm "miracle" loosely.... "My kid being born and making it through all the problems was a miracle!" Nope. There is an explanation. You not knowing the explanation doesn't make it a miracle.
A miracle by definition is "against nature." If you see someone floating in air (you will never see it) or walking on water, that's "against " the laws of nature.
Seen a ghost? Sorry, never happened. The place of the dead is not roaming this physical earth. The time of seeing spirits, angels, being possessed by demons, etc.also ended 2000 years ago.
Yes, there are things we don't understand, but the Bible has equipped us to know what does and doesn't happen even if we can't explain it.

Come on man! I saw a preacher on television raise a man up from his wheelchair! Right before he put up the telephone number to call to help keep his ministry going!

 

[Fred's Myth]

Meyer is a religious man who seeks to move science back to a time of trying to under God’s miracles instead of objective reality decrying the last 200 years of moving away from trying to understand and attribute things to the divine. You ignore the empire evidence and hard data pointing the other direction and call it assuming, that is exactly what Meyer is doing, assuming.
Evolutionists stand on much more solid ground than “magic man in the sky did it.”, that is what Meyer is claiming without proof.

You’ve never claimed to be impartial, but I didn’t expect you to choose ignorance.

Meyer doesn’t dispute evolution/natural selection. Evolution has no answer for how inorganic material spontaneously came to life, it assumes life. Everything that follows is perched on a foundation of sand.

Of course, if you had watched the video, you would have to admit that there’s something at work that can only be attributed to intelligence. But we can’t have that, now can we?!!

BTW, Meyer has credentials.

 

[El Correcto]

Meyer doesn’t dispute natural selection.
BTW, Meyer has credentials.

Yes he does and no he doesn’t have biology credentials.

 

[El Correcto]

How does Meyer explain new species if not by natural selection and mutations? The jew god dropping them off while we aren’t looking?

 

[El Correcto]

From the twenty minutes I listened to him for, he attacks macro evolution and biochemistry to insert his god in the gaps of human knowledge with speculative non sense without any real evidence. It’s what jew worshippers have always done.

 

[Tom MacDonald]

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It’s the most popular free sermon they have up at the bbq place judging by there only being 1 left.
I hope they put it in and it’s just an effeminate gay voice telling them it’s because they are stupid and ignorant.

Oh so now God isnt real because mob rule and popularity contests.

 

[Tom MacDonald]

From the twenty minutes I listened to him for, he attacks macro evolution and biochemistry to insert his god in the gaps of human knowledge with speculative non sense without any real evidence. It’s what jew worshippers have always done.

There is no proof of macro evolution. It is quite literally your version of our "invisible man in the sky".

 

[Tom MacDonald]

Yea all you have is silly Jewish folk tales. Glad you acknowledge this. Now quit denying 200+ years of scientific advancement in our understanding of reality based on this.

Keep wearing that mask of yours