Whats to debate - the union has showed it over and over and the only answer is an overhaul of the system and you know who is not included in the plan !
Tonights main event: APWA vs IBT at UPS Freight
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yeap the APWA
Hey local maybe head over to the church to see the collection plate and then you can pray for your pension to stay and not be reduced
nospinzone
Well-Known Member
The difference between APWA union dues and IBT's union dues...
IBT forces you to pay increasing dues regardless of the declining quality of service they provide.
APWA accepts membership dues voluntarily from people who are willing to spend their own money to kick out the thieves described above.
I believe their was a topic on this before. Membership dues you pay once. Dues are dues and you will pay them every month.Read some of your prior post on dues.
twnjrspc
Well-Known Member
Dividing Members’ EnergyThis was bound to happen at some point. But the changes to APWA's website just makes it official.
UPS Freight Invitation on PARCELWORKERS
Parcel Workers Association: Not the Right Course
February 22, 2007. A group of UPS workers, with encouragement from management, is attempting to oust the Teamsters Union on a national scale. This outfit, the American Parcel Workers Association, is a wrong turn down a blind alley for Teamsters who want positive change.
The APWA leaders spread UPS corporate propaganda on our pensions. Check www.MakeUPSDeliver.org for the facts on this matter. The APWA advocates an anti-union “right to work state” posture, insisting that UPS workers should be able to decline to pay their union dues, sticking the rest of us with the bill. Their attorney’s firm advertises that they help corporations break unions and force health care concessions on workers. In short, they are against basic union principles.
The APWA has attracted the interest of a number of UPS Teamsters in the South who are frustrated with the Hoffa leadership and the pension cuts imposed by the trustees of the Central States Fund.
The APWA is doomed to fail because the majority of Teamsters are not going to vote out the Teamsters Union and leave behind their pensions, except for their vested rights. They are not going to give up union protection for an untested association.
But in the process, we are concerned that this organization can divert membership energy into a blind alley. Teamsters fed up with pension cuts and leaders who lie to them may head down that alley, instead of on a positive road for change.
If UPS Teamsters want change, and many do want change in our union, we have the tools to make it happen. First of all, we can elect our top IBT officials. James Hoffa was reelected Teamster president in November with 174,900 votes. There are 230,000 UPS Teamsters, and the number is growing. Do the math: UPS workers have the power to elect our top leaders. We can elect leaders in our local unions. And we have a right to vote by secret ballot, by majority rule, on our contract and contract supplements.
Are those hard to accomplish? You bet. But they are a hell of a lot easier than uniting 230,000 Teamsters to leave their union to end up with "no protection!"
It was Teamsters for a Democratic Union that fought for and won all these rights.
If Teamsters had been distracted into anti-union efforts like the APWA, we never would have won the right to elect our top leaders or majority rule on our contract votes, or 25-and-out; we would not have won our 1997 strike.
We respect the right of all Teamsters to consider any option. Check out the facts for yourself. If you want positive change, the right course is Teamsters for a Democratic Union, a movement that is 100 percent Teamster, 100 percent noncorruptible, and with a proven track record of positive victories.
30andout
Well-Known Member
Big print does not help, its still the teamsters big business machine.Dividing Members’ Energy
Parcel Workers Association: Not the Right Course
February 22, 2007. A group of UPS workers, with encouragement from management, is attempting to oust the Teamsters Union on a national scale. This outfit, the American Parcel Workers Association, is a wrong turn down a blind alley for Teamsters who want positive change.
The APWA leaders spread UPS corporate propaganda on our pensions. Check www.MakeUPSDeliver.org for the facts on this matter. The APWA advocates an anti-union “right to work state” posture, insisting that UPS workers should be able to decline to pay their union dues, sticking the rest of us with the bill. Their attorney’s firm advertises that they help corporations break unions and force health care concessions on workers. In short, they are against basic union principles.
The APWA has attracted the interest of a number of UPS Teamsters in the South who are frustrated with the Hoffa leadership and the pension cuts imposed by the trustees of the Central States Fund.
The APWA is doomed to fail because the majority of Teamsters are not going to vote out the Teamsters Union and leave behind their pensions, except for their vested rights. They are not going to give up union protection for an untested association.
But in the process, we are concerned that this organization can divert membership energy into a blind alley. Teamsters fed up with pension cuts and leaders who lie to them may head down that alley, instead of on a positive road for change.
If UPS Teamsters want change, and many do want change in our union, we have the tools to make it happen. First of all, we can elect our top IBT officials. James Hoffa was reelected Teamster president in November with 174,900 votes. There are 230,000 UPS Teamsters, and the number is growing. Do the math: UPS workers have the power to elect our top leaders. We can elect leaders in our local unions. And we have a right to vote by secret ballot, by majority rule, on our contract and contract supplements.
Are those hard to accomplish? You bet. But they are a hell of a lot easier than uniting 230,000 Teamsters to leave their union to end up with "no protection!"
It was Teamsters for a Democratic Union that fought for and won all these rights.
If Teamsters had been distracted into anti-union efforts like the APWA, we never would have won the right to elect our top leaders or majority rule on our contract votes, or 25-and-out; we would not have won our 1997 strike.
We respect the right of all Teamsters to consider any option. Check out the facts for yourself. If you want positive change, the right course is Teamsters for a Democratic Union, a movement that is 100 percent Teamster, 100 percent noncorruptible, and with a proven track record of positive victories.
Ya, go TDU, TDU, TDU. Oh wait, they haven't effected change yet either after 30 yrs. No leadership, just a few followers.... Now you want the TDU to get another chance at the leadership slot? But, wait Batman! Your arch nemisis Hoffa is still in the house! Quite right boy Wonder! To the Bat Cave!
This is the state of affairs for the IBT.... read on
Return of the 'bad old Teamsters'
By Peter Flaherty
Tuesday, December 7, 2004
Organized labor was an undisputed election-day loser, but John Kerry's defeat was a particular blow to Teamsters chief Jim Hoffa. For Hoffa, who worked hard for Kerry after endorsing Richard Gephardt in the primaries, the election was about much more than access or influence. It was about getting the 1.3 million-member Teamsters out from under federal government oversight, in place since 1989.
The stakes for Hoffa were so high because of a burgeoning controversy that exploded with the April 28 resignation of Edwin Stier, the former federal prosecutor hired by the Teamsters to clean up the union. Stier charged that Hoffa had "backed away" and "inexplicably retreated" from anticorruption efforts.
Although the controversy concerns six Teamsters locals in Chicago, it goes to the heart of Hoffa's credibility and reputation. The Teamsters are refusing to release Stier's 303-page report on the six locals. According to the Chicago Tribune, which obtained a copy, the report details "allegations of mob influence, kickback schemes and the secret shifting of union jobs to low-wage, nonunion companies." Stier asserted that he encountered "active resistance" from Hoffa's office in investigating these allegations.
Stier did not work for the government. In 1999, the Teamsters established an internal reform program and hired Stier. It was a way of staving off more serious scrutiny, and of showing "good faith," in hopes of eventually escaping government oversight. While it lasted, it was good work for Stier.
The Teamsters spent $15 million on the program, much of which flowed through Stier's law firm. Since he was never really "independent," Stier's resignation is all the more devastating to Hoffa.
The IRB
Ultimate authority for Teamsters oversight resides with something called the Independent Review Board (IRB), established as a result of a 1989 consent decree to settle a Justice Department racketeering lawsuit. Now that the Stier operation has imploded, the time is hardly ripe for Hoffa to argue for the disbanding of the IRB.
Ironically, the Teamsters had made tentative progress toward walking on their own with the current Bush administration and Republicans in Congress.
Early on, an eager White House political staff courted Hoffa. There was talk of "working together" on issues like oil drilling in Alaska. But freeing the Teamsters was the real, never-acknowledged agenda. The relationship, however, soured as Hoffa claimed that the policy gap on issues like free trade was too just too large to bridge.
During the campaign, Hoffa asserted that the moneyed Kerry is "one of us" because Kerry briefly held a union card in 1962. About Kerry's opposition to opening the Alaska wilderness to oil exploration, Hoffa lamely offered that Kerry had assured him that he would "drill like never before" elsewhere.
Hoffa apparently also got over Kerry's support for NAFTA and other trade agreements.
Crackdown needed
Republicans should feel lucky that the courtship of Hoffa never led to anything more serious. Richard Nixon famously enjoyed the support of Hoffa's still-missing father, and Ronald Reagan won the support of Teamsters president Jackie Presser. It is doubtful, however, whether Republicans have benefited politically from the support of corrupt union bosses. A better approach would be a renewed Justice Department crackdown on mob influence in labor unions. It worked for Robert Kennedy, who became a hero to many in the rank-and-file.
In his resignation letter, Stier stated that he had "substantial reliable information that organized crime again threatens the union." He cited two specific examples of how Hoffa personally impeded his investigations, and in one of the cases, he accused the union of being "insensitive to witnesses' justifiable fears of retaliation." The bad old Teamsters are back.
Or maybe they never really went away.
The right thing to do is toss out the IBT and start fresh.. With ALL UPSer's in and FOR a UPSer's only Union. We get the
benefits of working for the big brown machine and not anyone else. We make it happen and nobody else. We are not obligated to share our benefits, be a quasi welfare system or anything. The rules the APWA currently has set up are flexible and are open to change no strings.. Just need 66% to vote yes on the topic. Maybe some rules get tighten others loosened yes? That's Democratic!
The key is WE AS UPSER'S DO THIS, no outside influences.
This is the state of affairs for the IBT.... read on
Return of the 'bad old Teamsters'
By Peter Flaherty
Tuesday, December 7, 2004
Organized labor was an undisputed election-day loser, but John Kerry's defeat was a particular blow to Teamsters chief Jim Hoffa. For Hoffa, who worked hard for Kerry after endorsing Richard Gephardt in the primaries, the election was about much more than access or influence. It was about getting the 1.3 million-member Teamsters out from under federal government oversight, in place since 1989.
The stakes for Hoffa were so high because of a burgeoning controversy that exploded with the April 28 resignation of Edwin Stier, the former federal prosecutor hired by the Teamsters to clean up the union. Stier charged that Hoffa had "backed away" and "inexplicably retreated" from anticorruption efforts.
Although the controversy concerns six Teamsters locals in Chicago, it goes to the heart of Hoffa's credibility and reputation. The Teamsters are refusing to release Stier's 303-page report on the six locals. According to the Chicago Tribune, which obtained a copy, the report details "allegations of mob influence, kickback schemes and the secret shifting of union jobs to low-wage, nonunion companies." Stier asserted that he encountered "active resistance" from Hoffa's office in investigating these allegations.
Stier did not work for the government. In 1999, the Teamsters established an internal reform program and hired Stier. It was a way of staving off more serious scrutiny, and of showing "good faith," in hopes of eventually escaping government oversight. While it lasted, it was good work for Stier.
The Teamsters spent $15 million on the program, much of which flowed through Stier's law firm. Since he was never really "independent," Stier's resignation is all the more devastating to Hoffa.
The IRB
Ultimate authority for Teamsters oversight resides with something called the Independent Review Board (IRB), established as a result of a 1989 consent decree to settle a Justice Department racketeering lawsuit. Now that the Stier operation has imploded, the time is hardly ripe for Hoffa to argue for the disbanding of the IRB.
Ironically, the Teamsters had made tentative progress toward walking on their own with the current Bush administration and Republicans in Congress.
Early on, an eager White House political staff courted Hoffa. There was talk of "working together" on issues like oil drilling in Alaska. But freeing the Teamsters was the real, never-acknowledged agenda. The relationship, however, soured as Hoffa claimed that the policy gap on issues like free trade was too just too large to bridge.
During the campaign, Hoffa asserted that the moneyed Kerry is "one of us" because Kerry briefly held a union card in 1962. About Kerry's opposition to opening the Alaska wilderness to oil exploration, Hoffa lamely offered that Kerry had assured him that he would "drill like never before" elsewhere.
Hoffa apparently also got over Kerry's support for NAFTA and other trade agreements.
Crackdown needed
Republicans should feel lucky that the courtship of Hoffa never led to anything more serious. Richard Nixon famously enjoyed the support of Hoffa's still-missing father, and Ronald Reagan won the support of Teamsters president Jackie Presser. It is doubtful, however, whether Republicans have benefited politically from the support of corrupt union bosses. A better approach would be a renewed Justice Department crackdown on mob influence in labor unions. It worked for Robert Kennedy, who became a hero to many in the rank-and-file.
In his resignation letter, Stier stated that he had "substantial reliable information that organized crime again threatens the union." He cited two specific examples of how Hoffa personally impeded his investigations, and in one of the cases, he accused the union of being "insensitive to witnesses' justifiable fears of retaliation." The bad old Teamsters are back.
Or maybe they never really went away.
The right thing to do is toss out the IBT and start fresh.. With ALL UPSer's in and FOR a UPSer's only Union. We get the
benefits of working for the big brown machine and not anyone else. We make it happen and nobody else. We are not obligated to share our benefits, be a quasi welfare system or anything. The rules the APWA currently has set up are flexible and are open to change no strings.. Just need 66% to vote yes on the topic. Maybe some rules get tighten others loosened yes? That's Democratic!
The key is WE AS UPSER'S DO THIS, no outside influences.
twnjrspc
Well-Known Member
This was bound to happen at some point. But the changes to APWA's website just makes it official.
UPS Freight Invitation on PARCELWORKERS
And that's all you have to say? You show your true colors when you bad mouth TDU. Really! What have we done to you? Is this the first time in your 30 years and out that you've taken a stand to fight? I've fought the good fight for 20 some years, do you want to insult me for that? Other than create hate and discontent, where were you, and what part do you take during the recent Teamster election?
Simply put,this situation is no different than our Governments, that are elected to represent us. For hundreds of years they have been corrupted, and have failed us. Does that mean we revoke our citizenship, and what rights, benefits, and protections we have, to follow a handful of people that have divised an untested plan, that merely exists on paper? Absolutely not!
If UPS Teamsters want change, and many do want change in our union, we have the tools to make it happen. First of all, we can elect our top IBT officials. James Hoffa was reelected Teamster president in November with 174,900 votes. There are 230,000 UPS Teamsters, and the number is growing. Do the math: UPS workers have the power to elect our top leaders. We can elect leaders in our local unions. And we have a right to vote by secret ballot, by majority rule, on our contract and contract supplements. Are those hard to accomplish? You bet. But they are a hell of a lot easier than uniting 230,000 Teamsters to leave their union to end up with no protection.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the APWA needs some 70,000 of 230,000 UPS Teamsters to decertify, or give up their protections and rights, in order for the APWA to be certified as a representing body under the NLRB? Oh, and they're going to do this within a 60 day time period? Golly Gee Batman! If you guys are that good, you could have spanked old Hoffa in the recent election. I'm sorry 30, but while there's alot of apathy, and simple minds out there, that leaves the APWA to only prey on the stupid.
tieguy
Banned
Allright TDU guy put up or shut up time. If you have the proof that management is encouraging them then provide it here and now or retract your statement.
In fact you TDU guys talk out of both sides of your mouth because when you're not accusing management of siding with apwa you accuse us of being in bed with Hoffa. Which one is it?
18wheelbrownie
Well-Known Member
Dividing Members’ Energy
Parcel Workers Association: Not the Right Course
February 22, 2007. A group of UPS workers, with encouragement from management, is attempting to oust the Teamsters Union on a national scale. This outfit, the American Parcel Workers Association, is a wrong turn down a blind alley for Teamsters who want positive change.
The APWA leaders spread UPS corporate propaganda on our pensions. Check www.MakeUPSDeliver.org for the facts on this matter. The APWA advocates an anti-union “right to work state” posture, insisting that UPS workers should be able to decline to pay their union dues, sticking the rest of us with the bill. Their attorney’s firm advertises that they help corporations break unions and force health care concessions on workers. In short, they are against basic union principles.
The APWA has attracted the interest of a number of UPS Teamsters in the South who are frustrated with the Hoffa leadership and the pension cuts imposed by the trustees of the Central States Fund.
The APWA is doomed to fail because the majority of Teamsters are not going to vote out the Teamsters Union and leave behind their pensions, except for their vested rights. They are not going to give up union protection for an untested association.
But in the process, we are concerned that this organization can divert membership energy into a blind alley. Teamsters fed up with pension cuts and leaders who lie to them may head down that alley, instead of on a positive road for change.
If UPS Teamsters want change, and many do want change in our union, we have the tools to make it happen. First of all, we can elect our top IBT officials. James Hoffa was reelected Teamster president in November with 174,900 votes. There are 230,000 UPS Teamsters, and the number is growing. Do the math: UPS workers have the power to elect our top leaders. We can elect leaders in our local unions. And we have a right to vote by secret ballot, by majority rule, on our contract and contract supplements.
Are those hard to accomplish? You bet. But they are a hell of a lot easier than uniting 230,000 Teamsters to leave their union to end up with "no protection!"
It was Teamsters for a Democratic Union that fought for and won all these rights.
If Teamsters had been distracted into anti-union efforts like the APWA, we never would have won the right to elect our top leaders or majority rule on our contract votes, or 25-and-out; we would not have won our 1997 strike.
We respect the right of all Teamsters to consider any option. Check out the facts for yourself. If you want positive change, the right course is Teamsters for a Democratic Union, a movement that is 100 percent Teamster, 100 percent noncorruptible, and with a proven track record of positive victories.
i have been a member of TDU for a long time , there efforts are good , but after following them and now our pensions and benefits are going down the drain , the restrictions on retiring ( no 25 or 30 and out , 6% penatly for every year under 65) , they are just fighting city hall, no light at the end of the tunnel. everytime we the members thought there was change, hoffa or the companies got even with us. now the APWA comes to life, shows the members what really is happening, how can you not support them! the ups freight members should really support the APWA , after what the teamsters did to all of you years ago! now i see how it would benefit the pkg and freight drivers , also the parttimers! join the APWA or sign the card , give them your support , your efforts will be rewarded and you will be glad you never join the teamsters.better to have your own pension plan and benefits for yourselves than to share with a multi emp. fund even though the teamster union said it would not happen, but look at the pkg division and whats happening to us!!!
U
UPS Freight worker
Guest
No chance! apwa is nothing but a farce! I'll remain non-union, before I'll sign a card! I will advise all the workers at my service center to do the same!
satellitedriver
Senior Member
Yes, I want a positive change.Dividing Members’ Energy
Parcel Workers Association: Not the Right Course
February 22, 2007. A group of UPS workers, with encouragement from management, is attempting to oust the Teamsters Union on a national scale. This outfit, the American Parcel Workers Association, is a wrong turn down a blind alley for Teamsters who want positive change.
The APWA leaders spread UPS corporate propaganda on our pensions. Check www.MakeUPSDeliver.org for the facts on this matter. The APWA advocates an anti-union “right to work state” posture, insisting that UPS workers should be able to decline to pay their union dues, sticking the rest of us with the bill. Their attorney’s firm advertises that they help corporations break unions and force health care concessions on workers. In short, they are against basic union principles.
The APWA has attracted the interest of a number of UPS Teamsters in the South who are frustrated with the Hoffa leadership and the pension cuts imposed by the trustees of the Central States Fund.
The APWA is doomed to fail because the majority of Teamsters are not going to vote out the Teamsters Union and leave behind their pensions, except for their vested rights. They are not going to give up union protection for an untested association.
But in the process, we are concerned that this organization can divert membership energy into a blind alley. Teamsters fed up with pension cuts and leaders who lie to them may head down that alley, instead of on a positive road for change.
If UPS Teamsters want change, and many do want change in our union, we have the tools to make it happen. First of all, we can elect our top IBT officials. James Hoffa was reelected Teamster president in November with 174,900 votes. There are 230,000 UPS Teamsters, and the number is growing. Do the math: UPS workers have the power to elect our top leaders. We can elect leaders in our local unions. And we have a right to vote by secret ballot, by majority rule, on our contract and contract supplements.
Are those hard to accomplish? You bet. But they are a hell of a lot easier than uniting 230,000 Teamsters to leave their union to end up with "no protection!"
It was Teamsters for a Democratic Union that fought for and won all these rights.
If Teamsters had been distracted into anti-union efforts like the APWA, we never would have won the right to elect our top leaders or majority rule on our contract votes, or 25-and-out; we would not have won our 1997 strike.
We respect the right of all Teamsters to consider any option. Check out the facts for yourself. If you want positive change, the right course is Teamsters for a Democratic Union, a movement that is 100 percent Teamster, 100 percent noncorruptible, and with a proven track record of positive victories.
I want a union that only represents UPS workers and only UPS workers. We should get the benefits from our labors.
This is the one area that the teamster supporters are not willing to touch.
Not one supporter of the teamsters has given any valid reason for UPSER's having to bear the financial load by giving away 60% of our benefit money to fund the benefits of non UPS teamsters.
Please UPS teamsters, explain to me why I should support a union that increases(doubles) my union dues and gives my company provided benefit monies to others who have never worn brown.
Hey - about APWA being a union - I thought I read that that group wasn't even registered with the DOL as a labor union. Is that still true?
As far as dues -- I pay dues to my local union, which is WORTH EVERY PENNY - I think the IBT gets a small percentage of that. I have friends with other unions who have a much bigger chunk going to their international headquarters. So, I think our deal is pretty good.
NYteam06,
Look up the definition of Union. Also, to whom are you listening to in regards to the APWA not being a Union. The IBT? They misrepresent the facts on everything, do your own research. Pension Plans or Employee Benefits Security Administration Main Page
or the PGBC site and as it relates to "multiemployer" pension funds and there default.
As far, as your dues, everypenny? Have you asked for an accounting of the dues you pay? Try it just to see if they seem concerned for you and what you needs maybe.
My fellow co-workers at UPSF/Overnite,
Here we are almost two years from the time we heard the news about UPS buying our former employer, Overnite Transportation. Things have changed quite a bit lately as you may have noticed.
Most of you are aware of the labor issues facing us APWA or Teamsters.
Also, most have an interest in your Pension and the multiple weeks of vacation time you’ve gained thru hard work. The vacation weeks most of us can agree are very nice, but we really could live without them for the most part. Now if you need to find another employer you’ll find most don’t offer a Pension anymore or you may be too old to start over. When you consider Social Security’s poor financial footing and the very real possibility of your Overnite/UPSF non-Union Pension being turned over to the Teamsters and their well documented financial short falls (*2004 Central States Pension was funded at a 54.6% margin). You see that you only have the 401K left to retire on. Again the prospect of this is very disturbing. You may get some or all of the Social Security depending on your age, but for us looking to retire in the later part of 2020 you find Social Security is currently scheduled to be broke by 2027. This means massive cuts in pay outs to some of us basically leaving pocket change each month. The kicker is the Teamsters have, and still offer us, 2 for 1 on your UPSF/OVNT seniority. 30 yrs. with Overnite/UPSF equals 15 in the Teamsters scheme. What a deal right? Since the teamsters can’t even give $100 per year of service. due again to the financial mismanagement in the past, you currently could reasonably expect to receive $1100 per month with 15 yrs of Teamster style seniority. Forget your spouse getting anything worth mentioning. Why surrender any of this when we have a chance to have it, at the very least, the same as it is now? Ok, the APWA is new, so what? 99% of new cars run great, should it fail then decide on the Teamsters offer. Why surrender anything to the group that wanted to close down our company just a few years back?
Some other facts for you to consider regarding your Pension. Overnite Management told us the Pension was untouchable right? That is a half truth at best. A Pension is a Trust Fund basically, these Funds have a Board of Directors made up of different persons. Now, a pension such as Overnite’s could be moved somewhere by two and only two methods. The first is the plan’s Fiduciaries/Directors signs *(a plan must have at least one fiduciary) control over to another Firm/group etc. This is how we got shafted during the sale to UPS. We never were given the option of a completely independent firm on Wall Street managing our Trust/Pension. Overnite’s Board GAVE it to UPS. The other method to transfer a Trust/Pension is by Court Order. (Please follow the numbers) Approx. 800 million at the time of the transfer from Ovnt to UPS. UPS pays approx. 1.2 billion for us. Leo Suggs and Mike Eskew were buddies in the videos remember? Things were gonna be great. Gordon Mackenzie puts out the Teamster violence DVD from the strike. You may recall he got smacked by Mike Eskew (CEO of UPS) in a memo shortly after the DVD came out. (Flag #1) Then the gentleman’s agreement with the Teamsters came out. Leo suddenly retires (Flag #2) You may recall our management reading the letter to you in the break areas. Now, consider the financial position the Teamsters Pension is in? 54.6% funded in the 2004 report or currently at approx. 60% (Flag #3) Also, factor in the fact UPS pays a huge amount into the Teamsters Fund, The Teamsters need every penny and haven’t been gaining membership for years. Mike Eskew is a lot of things to us, but the man is very smart with business and numbers. He realizes the Teamsters need the piles of cash they get from UPS to continue. This means bargaining power for Eskew at the table, now Mr. Eskew buys OVNT for the 1.2 billion. Plus gets 800 million bonus from OUR OVNT Pension. (Flag#4) At no cost.
Now Overnite is also something the Teamsters want. For no other reason but bragging rights and 15,000 more members. Now, Mr. Eskew; holds the Purse, the coveted Overnite and it’s Pension. All things the Teamsters want or need to help carry on their enterprise. Someone please help me see how this translates into bargaining power for the Teamsters at the negotiating table? Ok, maybe you see my point. But, besides the labor rep issue, the employee’s of OVNT/UPSF are getting used, screwed and tattooed 1.2 Billion minus 800 million, our Pension value and Mr. Eskew gets Ovnt lock stock and barrel for a mere 400 million dollars. BUT you say the Pension isn’t his cash to spend! Right you are my friend. Back to the bargaining table, approx 250,000 union employee’s (this includes UPSF) pay and benefits are being negotiated. A simple reduction or NO Increase in something costing as little as $6.41 per employee PER DAY or $1,666.67 per YEAR for three years of a contract earns/saves UPS $1,250,000,000 basically paying for Overnite all on the backs of the employees from Parcel and Freight.
The bottom line here people is WE the EMPLOYEE keep getting the shaft. Mr. Eskew is happy, Wall Street is happy and the Teamsters are happy, at the International level anyway. By not getting better pay or a better medical plan in the next contract Hoffa and his buddies get just about a billion extra cash dumped into the Central states fund for nothing. That Billion is OUR BLANKING PENSION!!!
A Billion dollars sounds like a huge amount of money right? Not in the world of 13-15 Billion short falls that exist in the Central States Pension Fund. One Billion means nothing. Remember the part about the TWO methods one can get control of a Trust/Pension? The Court Order or the Board of Directors signing control over to some other entity. Last time I checked nobody from OVNT/UPSF was holding a seat on the UPS Non Union Employee’s Pension Board looking out for our interests!
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE OVERNITE PENSION MONEY WONT GET SIGNED TO THE TEAMSTERS?
Now, what about a pension board consisting of 12 members? 3 UPS employee’s, 3 UPS retiree’s, 3 Wall Street types, 3 members of UPS Management? This arrangement makes it about as secure as anything can be when people are involved. This is why the APWA should be our first choice as our Labor Representation. Our most important benefit, our pension will be under OUR control!
Speculate all you want as to who’s side I support, I support the side that gives me a voice and a blanking chance at seeing my Pension in full. Go look or for yourselves.
Thank you,
LEX/UPSF/RDDR “Our People Make The Difference”
Information Source * for Teamster funds.
Also, DOL/EBSA /James Pullen (202)-693-9999 “What you should know about your retirement plan”
Here we are almost two years from the time we heard the news about UPS buying our former employer, Overnite Transportation. Things have changed quite a bit lately as you may have noticed.
Most of you are aware of the labor issues facing us APWA or Teamsters.
Also, most have an interest in your Pension and the multiple weeks of vacation time you’ve gained thru hard work. The vacation weeks most of us can agree are very nice, but we really could live without them for the most part. Now if you need to find another employer you’ll find most don’t offer a Pension anymore or you may be too old to start over. When you consider Social Security’s poor financial footing and the very real possibility of your Overnite/UPSF non-Union Pension being turned over to the Teamsters and their well documented financial short falls (*2004 Central States Pension was funded at a 54.6% margin). You see that you only have the 401K left to retire on. Again the prospect of this is very disturbing. You may get some or all of the Social Security depending on your age, but for us looking to retire in the later part of 2020 you find Social Security is currently scheduled to be broke by 2027. This means massive cuts in pay outs to some of us basically leaving pocket change each month. The kicker is the Teamsters have, and still offer us, 2 for 1 on your UPSF/OVNT seniority. 30 yrs. with Overnite/UPSF equals 15 in the Teamsters scheme. What a deal right? Since the teamsters can’t even give $100 per year of service. due again to the financial mismanagement in the past, you currently could reasonably expect to receive $1100 per month with 15 yrs of Teamster style seniority. Forget your spouse getting anything worth mentioning. Why surrender any of this when we have a chance to have it, at the very least, the same as it is now? Ok, the APWA is new, so what? 99% of new cars run great, should it fail then decide on the Teamsters offer. Why surrender anything to the group that wanted to close down our company just a few years back?
Some other facts for you to consider regarding your Pension. Overnite Management told us the Pension was untouchable right? That is a half truth at best. A Pension is a Trust Fund basically, these Funds have a Board of Directors made up of different persons. Now, a pension such as Overnite’s could be moved somewhere by two and only two methods. The first is the plan’s Fiduciaries/Directors signs *(a plan must have at least one fiduciary) control over to another Firm/group etc. This is how we got shafted during the sale to UPS. We never were given the option of a completely independent firm on Wall Street managing our Trust/Pension. Overnite’s Board GAVE it to UPS. The other method to transfer a Trust/Pension is by Court Order. (Please follow the numbers) Approx. 800 million at the time of the transfer from Ovnt to UPS. UPS pays approx. 1.2 billion for us. Leo Suggs and Mike Eskew were buddies in the videos remember? Things were gonna be great. Gordon Mackenzie puts out the Teamster violence DVD from the strike. You may recall he got smacked by Mike Eskew (CEO of UPS) in a memo shortly after the DVD came out. (Flag #1) Then the gentleman’s agreement with the Teamsters came out. Leo suddenly retires (Flag #2) You may recall our management reading the letter to you in the break areas. Now, consider the financial position the Teamsters Pension is in? 54.6% funded in the 2004 report or currently at approx. 60% (Flag #3) Also, factor in the fact UPS pays a huge amount into the Teamsters Fund, The Teamsters need every penny and haven’t been gaining membership for years. Mike Eskew is a lot of things to us, but the man is very smart with business and numbers. He realizes the Teamsters need the piles of cash they get from UPS to continue. This means bargaining power for Eskew at the table, now Mr. Eskew buys OVNT for the 1.2 billion. Plus gets 800 million bonus from OUR OVNT Pension. (Flag#4) At no cost.
Now Overnite is also something the Teamsters want. For no other reason but bragging rights and 15,000 more members. Now, Mr. Eskew; holds the Purse, the coveted Overnite and it’s Pension. All things the Teamsters want or need to help carry on their enterprise. Someone please help me see how this translates into bargaining power for the Teamsters at the negotiating table? Ok, maybe you see my point. But, besides the labor rep issue, the employee’s of OVNT/UPSF are getting used, screwed and tattooed 1.2 Billion minus 800 million, our Pension value and Mr. Eskew gets Ovnt lock stock and barrel for a mere 400 million dollars. BUT you say the Pension isn’t his cash to spend! Right you are my friend. Back to the bargaining table, approx 250,000 union employee’s (this includes UPSF) pay and benefits are being negotiated. A simple reduction or NO Increase in something costing as little as $6.41 per employee PER DAY or $1,666.67 per YEAR for three years of a contract earns/saves UPS $1,250,000,000 basically paying for Overnite all on the backs of the employees from Parcel and Freight.
The bottom line here people is WE the EMPLOYEE keep getting the shaft. Mr. Eskew is happy, Wall Street is happy and the Teamsters are happy, at the International level anyway. By not getting better pay or a better medical plan in the next contract Hoffa and his buddies get just about a billion extra cash dumped into the Central states fund for nothing. That Billion is OUR BLANKING PENSION!!!
A Billion dollars sounds like a huge amount of money right? Not in the world of 13-15 Billion short falls that exist in the Central States Pension Fund. One Billion means nothing. Remember the part about the TWO methods one can get control of a Trust/Pension? The Court Order or the Board of Directors signing control over to some other entity. Last time I checked nobody from OVNT/UPSF was holding a seat on the UPS Non Union Employee’s Pension Board looking out for our interests!
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE OVERNITE PENSION MONEY WONT GET SIGNED TO THE TEAMSTERS?
Now, what about a pension board consisting of 12 members? 3 UPS employee’s, 3 UPS retiree’s, 3 Wall Street types, 3 members of UPS Management? This arrangement makes it about as secure as anything can be when people are involved. This is why the APWA should be our first choice as our Labor Representation. Our most important benefit, our pension will be under OUR control!
Speculate all you want as to who’s side I support, I support the side that gives me a voice and a blanking chance at seeing my Pension in full. Go look or for yourselves.
Thank you,
LEX/UPSF/RDDR “Our People Make The Difference”
Information Source * for Teamster funds.
Also, DOL/EBSA /James Pullen (202)-693-9999 “What you should know about your retirement plan”
GuitarManHD28
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Only Time will tell Young Squire............
705red
Browncafe Steward
Satelite explain why you make what you make and have the benefits you have. Because we struck in 97 and earned it right? Thats right you crossed and still you complain the teamsters this and the teamsters that, you should have showed the teamsters and your brothers and sisters on that strike line a little respect! But no you spat on them and went into work and we should take your advice on which union is better for us. Your a confused soul and i think the last person any1 here should take any kind of union advice from!!!!!
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