Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

bbsam

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I don’t think you’re experience is reality,






Could be. From what we’ve seen around here, most folks prefer to go the legal way because there’s no legal ramifications to consider. Because, yes, Illinois absolutely get theirs if they catch folks without the “proper” weed.
 

Jkloc420

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What if America isn’t in the driver’s seat? What if China just decides to cut their exports to the U.S. in half? China has to see the U.S. as incredibly weak and dysfunctional right now. Not like they care if their people have to suffer for a decade or two.
Lol, we r chinas market, they cant do anything but what they did in 2016, send a virus over
 

Jkloc420

Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
What if America isn’t in the driver’s seat? What if China just decides to cut their exports to the U.S. in half? China has to see the U.S. as incredibly weak and dysfunctional right now. Not like they care if their people have to suffer for a decade or two.
Billion people
 

bbsam

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Lol, we r chinas market, they cant do anything but what they did in 2016, send a virus over
Nah. China’s been building up Africa as their resource plant and market for decades. And really, they could easily cut their exports exports for a month just to see what would happen. Between the initial shock to the U.S. economy and the massive supply chain disruption that would take months to clear, I imagine we’d see some pretty extreme economic collapse.
 

Jkloc420

Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
Nah. China’s been building up Africa as their resource plant and market for decades. And really, they could easily cut their exports exports for a month just to see what would happen. Between the initial shock to the U.S. economy and the massive supply chain disruption that would take months to clear, I imagine we’d see some pretty extreme economic collapse.
They can have africa, see how it goes for them
 

Jkloc420

Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
Nah. China’s been building up Africa as their resource plant and market for decades. And really, they could easily cut their exports exports for a month just to see what would happen. Between the initial shock to the U.S. economy and the massive supply chain disruption that would take months to clear, I imagine we’d see some pretty extreme economic collapse.
Second they cant cut their exports because the communist party wouldnt stay in power if they did, all they can do is devalue their currency, we went through this in trumps first term, china was on the brink of collapse until covid hit
 

vantexan

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Nah. China’s been building up Africa as their resource plant and market for decades. And really, they could easily cut their exports exports for a month just to see what would happen. Between the initial shock to the U.S. economy and the massive supply chain disruption that would take months to clear, I imagine we’d see some pretty extreme economic collapse.
A lot of manufacturing has already left China. Saw a graph that showed about 35% if I remember right of what we import comes from China now.
 

Jkloc420

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Get it
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DELACROIX

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What if America isn’t in the driver’s seat? What if China just decides to cut their exports to the U.S. in half? China has to see the U.S. as incredibly weak and dysfunctional right now. Not like they care if their people have to suffer for a decade or two.

it would be similar to the 'Cold War" scenario with the USSR, both parties could destroy each others economies. If that happens the US wins flat out, far more natural resources and clot. These tariffs are complicated so all these "chicken littles" are just clueless. Besides that there are still a lot of other nations that still hold a grudge over the COVID virus, they probably want the US to kick their ever loving tails. Biden is out of office so they don't have an in anymore..

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Pullman Brown

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It's becoming clearer and clearer that we're looking at a seismic shift in the US's relationship with the world, between:

1) The US dismantling its foreign interference apparatuses (like USAID 👇)
2) Marco Rubio stating that we're now in a multipolar world with "multi-great powers in different parts of the planet" (state.gov/secretary-marc…) and that "the postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us" (foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/…)
3) The tariffs on supposed "allies" like Mexico, Canada or the EU

This is the US effectively saying "our attempt at running the world is over, to each his own, we're now just another great power, not the 'indispensable nation'."

It looks "dumb" (as the WSJ just wrote) if you are still mentally in the old paradigm but it's always a mistake to think that what the US (or any country) does is dumb.

Hegemony was going to end sooner or later, and now the U.S. is basically choosing to end it on its own terms. It is the post-American world order - brought to you by America itself.

Even the tariffs on allies, viewed under this angle, make sense, as it redefines the concept of "allies": they don't want - or maybe rather can't afford - vassals anymore, but rather relationships that evolve based on current interests.

You can either view it as decline - because it does unquestionably look like the end of the American empire - or as avoiding further decline: controlled withdrawal from imperial commitments in order to focus resources on core national interests rather than being forced into an even messier retreat at a later stage.

In any case it is the end of an era and, while the Trump administration looks like chaos to many observers, they're probably much more attuned to the changing realities of the world and their own country's predicament than their predecessors. Acknowledging the existence of a multipolar world and choosing to operate within it rather than trying to maintain an increasingly costly global hegemony couldn't be delayed much further. It looks messy but it is probably better than maintaining the fiction of American primacy until it eventually collapses under its own weight.

This is not to say that the U.S. won't continue to wreak havoc on the world, and in fact we might be seeing it become even more aggressive than before. Because when it previously was (badly, and very hypocritically) trying to maintain some semblance of self-proclaimed "rules-based order", it now doesn't even have to pretend it is under any constraint, not even the constraint of playing nice with allies. It's the end of the U.S. empire, but definitely not the end of the U.S. as a major disruptive force in world affairs.

All in all this transformation may mark one of the most significant shifts in international relations since the fall of the Soviet Union. And those most unprepared for it, as is already painfully obvious, are America's vassals caught completely flat-footed by the realization that the patron they've relied on for decades is now treating them as just another set of countries to negotiate with.

Arneaud Bertrand
 
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