Trump Tariffs has Countries ready to retaliate?

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Over70irregs

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the constant graph posting and hand wringing does not do us any good. we all know the stock market is down
Down is one way of looking at it. I’m seeing wipe city. They will give you a lil bump to make you feel good then laugh at you behind the scenes as you rock climb with a bungee cord. Remember they are buddies when the camera is off. The red cup is your time/blood on vacation in two months. Notice the guy pointing at you as you look at your OT from last week.
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vantexan

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Down is one way of looking at it. I’m seeing wipe city. They will give you a lil bump to make you feel good then laugh at you behind the scenes as you rock climb with a bungee cord. Remember they are buddies when the camera is off. The red cup is your time/blood on vacation in two months. Notice the guy pointing at you as you look at your OT from last week.
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Translation: Buy Bitcoin.
 

Doublestandards

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Heard something interesting on the radio. As the stock prices plummet the 401k companies still have to invest X amount by law in the market. So in effect they are dollar cost averaging as the price goes down. Which will be very good for 401k accounts when the market recovers.
It’s amazing how it’s always able to be good news when it’s happening to a Republican. Truly remarkable
 

Doublestandards

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Some things I feel about these tarrifs and trump

1. One thing Trump gets praised for, and used to defend him constantly for dumb things he says, “he’s just trolling” or “he’s just playing 4d chess” or “he’s just trying to rile up the other side”

He’s already flip flopped on tarrifs with Mexico and Canada multiple times just this year. He’s gone back on his own trade agreements HE MADE in his first year calling them terrible deals

So tell me, why would businesses invest BILLIONS of dollars to move manufacturing to America, when Trump might just later flip flop, or he might be “trolling”? Why would they risk that? They’re going to rather weather the storm, increase prices for consumers and see where this goes. Trump has shown you can’t trust his word. You can’t trust his deals. Corporations aren’t going to uproot and spend billions when Trump could change his mind tomorrow

2. A lot of you guys threw fits over even fast food workers getting raises, saying it would raise prices on McDonald’s, a multi billion dollar company swimming in profits. But we’re going to spend more money on all goods so it can be built here?

3. Even if things DO get built here, you see what’s happening now at ups. Layoffs and automations. But corporations are suddenly going to move everything over here and give Americans a bunch of high paying jobs and everything’s going to be dandy? Or are we going to pay higher prices because of tarrifs, or having companies move here and have everything automated with a few jobs to make up the difference? And that’s going to make up for all the tarrifs?
 

Doublestandards

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I really haven’t heard anyone say points 1 and 2 would be anything other than short term. The point of the tariffs is to cause a more even playing field., why wouldn’t these countries lower their tariffs or get rid of them together on many items?

Trump has made the comment that he would like to get rid of the federal income tax. If tariffs can replace it, that’s fine, but we cannot do tariffs and the federal income tax permanently that would be a disaster.
If his plan is to keep some form of tariffs and then reduce taxes to some sort of flat tax or consumption tax, perhaps that would work better.

The only thing I would agree with on this issue is that he should be more clear on what his tariffs are going to accomplish in the future.

CAN TARIFFS REPLACE THE INCOME TAX?​

Simply put, no. Tariffs are levied on imported goods, which totaled $3.1 trillion in 2023. The income tax is levied on incomes, which exceed $20 trillion; the US government raises about $2 trillion in individual and corporate income taxes at present. It is literally impossible for tariffs to fully replace income taxes. Tariff rates would have to be implausibly high on such a small base of imports to replace the income tax, and as tax rates rose, the base itself would shrink as imports fall, making Trump’s $2 trillion goal unattainable.

A recent Peterson Institute policy brief calculated that revenues from Trump’s 10 percent/60 percent tariff proposals would total about $225 billion per year in current dollars. This figure is certainly an overestimate because it does not account for lower economic growth due to the inevitable economic shocks caused by retaliation against US exporters and the losses suffered by the import-dependent manufacturing sector. Exporters would also be hit by an appreciating dollar, as discussed below.

 

newfie

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Down is one way of looking at it. I’m seeing wipe city. They will give you a lil bump to make you feel good then laugh at you behind the scenes as you rock climb with a bungee cord. Remember they are buddies when the camera is off. The red cup is your time/blood on vacation in two months. Notice the guy pointing at you as you look at your OT from last week.
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where did that translator go?
 

Doublestandards

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Vietnam offers to cut tarrifs on America to zero in response to Trumps tarrifs

But looking up Vietnam’s current tarrifs on America, they are about 1%


Others are saying China will just continue laundering through Vietnam to skirt tarrifs
 

newfie

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Some things I feel about these tarrifs and trump

1. One thing Trump gets praised for, and used to defend him constantly for dumb things he says, “he’s just trolling” or “he’s just playing 4d chess” or “he’s just trying to rile up the other side”
he does that
He’s already flip flopped on tarrifs with Mexico and Canada multiple times just this year. He’s gone back on his own trade agreements HE MADE in his first year calling them terrible deals
you think a 400 percent tariff on the milk we sell is a good deal?
So tell me, why would businesses invest BILLIONS of dollars to move manufacturing to America, when Trump might just later flip flop, or he might be “trolling”? Why would they risk that? They’re going to rather weather the storm, increase prices for consumers and see where this goes. Trump has shown you can’t trust his word. You can’t trust his deals. Corporations aren’t going to uproot and spend billions when Trump could change his mind tomorrow
7 trillion dollars so far in new investments from businesses moving here to avoid the tariffs. more in the pipeline.
2. A lot of you guys threw fits over even fast food workers getting raises, saying it would raise prices on McDonald’s, a multi billion dollar company swimming in profits. But we’re going to spend more money on all goods so it can be built here?
fits? or was the point made that mcdonalds would use automation to eliminate those jobs? did they do so?
3. Even if things DO get built here, you see what’s happening now at ups. Layoffs and automations. But corporations are suddenly going to move everything over here and give Americans a bunch of high paying jobs and everything’s going to be dandy? Or are we going to pay higher prices because of tarrifs, or having companies move here and have everything automated with a few jobs to make up the difference? And that’s going to make up for all the tarrifs?
generally you would make this argument if businesses had not committed the 7 trillion dollars of new investment.
 
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