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Hi I’m kinda new here but can anyone explain the logic behind fedex or Amazon when compared to UPS

like UPS is still doing great even when paying their employees good money with benefits. So why are Fedex and Amazon so adamant on the contractor model of employment. Especially fedex since ups is apparently doing better than them

One word as to why they want the contractor model-unions. Or more specifically, no unions under that contractor model. See back in the 80s Federal Express was a great place to work and topped people out in a matter of months to just a couple of years. Then in the early 90s someone at Federal Express figured out that they don't need to worry about anyone unionizing because of the RLA. So from that point on renamed FedEx decided all their employees could go pound sand when it comes to raises. Fast forward to when FedEx Ground came to be. Rather than combing Ground and Express packages together like how UPS does (for efficiency purposes) they decided instead to separate the companies (to prevent unionizing). Moreover, they decided to use a contractor model so Ground can't unionize on their own. Now Express is trying to skirt around combining companies and unionizing with their "last mile optimization" BS. Basically Express is sending a lot of their packages to Ground to have them deliver for them. And as far as Amazon goes, they are/were owned by that leftist Bezos who should be pro-union since that's a leftist support point, but since it doesn't benefit him or Amazon, he's all against it too. As far as any of these Democrat politicians go, they would be just like Bezos. Like Biden always talking about good paying union jobs. I can guarantee you if Biden owned a factory, he'd be one of the biggest anti-union owners out there-just like Bezos or Smith. Anyway, since a union would benefit me and hundreds of thousands of people at Express, I'd vote yes for a union. I like the idea of topping out in 5 years as opposed to FedEx's current "go pound sand" business model of 20+ yrs to topping out.
 

Serf

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What happened to Express plan to only deliver FO, P1, International P1? Send everything else to ground. Lol….
 

yadig

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Grounds been sending packages back at my ramp. They simply can’t handle the extra volume. Those “owners” need to buy more trucks and hire some employees.
 

bacha29

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One word as to why they want the contractor model-unions. Or more specifically, no unions under that contractor model. See back in the 80s Federal Express was a great place to work and topped people out in a matter of months to just a couple of years. Then in the early 90s someone at Federal Express figured out that they don't need to worry about anyone unionizing because of the RLA. So from that point on renamed FedEx decided all their employees could go pound sand when it comes to raises. Fast forward to when FedEx Ground came to be. Rather than combing Ground and Express packages together like how UPS does (for efficiency purposes) they decided instead to separate the companies (to prevent unionizing). Moreover, they decided to use a contractor model so Ground can't unionize on their own. Now Express is trying to skirt around combining companies and unionizing with their "last mile optimization" BS. Basically Express is sending a lot of their packages to Ground to have them deliver for them. And as far as Amazon goes, they are/were owned by that leftist Bezos who should be pro-union since that's a leftist support point, but since it doesn't benefit him or Amazon, he's all against it too. As far as any of these Democrat politicians go, they would be just like Bezos. Like Biden always talking about good paying union jobs. I can guarantee you if Biden owned a factory, he'd be one of the biggest anti-union owners out there-just like Bezos or Smith. Anyway, since a union would benefit me and hundreds of thousands of people at Express, I'd vote yes for a union. I like the idea of topping out in 5 years as opposed to FedEx's current "go pound sand" business model of 20+ yrs to topping out.
Something you're forgetting here. It was those evil communist sympathizing pinko leftist Democrats who managed to get Taft Hartley passed into law which gave workers the right to form unions in the first place. And they did it despite bitter Republican opposition.
You cannot have a pro union, pro organized labor blue collar workforce nation until you have a pro union Congress and pro union set of judges sitting on the bench. So tell me, are you a registered voter? If so then what party do you belong to. I bet you're a registered Republican. One of if not the most anti union party in the history of this nation. And a person who votes a straight GOP ticket every time. And if as expected the GOP takes back control of Congress after next year's midterms I guarantee you any pro organized labor bills that may be introduced will never get out of committee.

So quit blaming the Democrats for your willful decision to consistently vote against your own self interests.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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It was those evil communist sympathizing pinko leftist Democrats who managed to get Taft Hartley passed into law which gave workers the right to form unions in the first place. And they did it despite bitter Republican opposition.
Are you high?
A Republican led Congress passed Taft Hartley by overriding a Democrat president's veto.

What planet do you live on?
 

bacha29

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Are you high?
A Republican led Congress passed Taft Hartley by overriding a Democrat president's veto.

What planet do you live on?
You Repubs shouldn't go around bragging about your over ride of Taft Hartley because Taft Hartley severely curtailed the powers afforded workers under the National Labor Relations Act Of 1935. Yes, I did make a misstatement by mentioning TH when I meant the NLRA but what stands out here is that TH is just one of many examples of the GOP's generations long anti union/anti worker stance. They've always been that way....and always will be.
 

bacha29

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Now back to the subject at hand. FDX is + about 1% in the early going this AM. That's normal. The general sentiment is that they will beat on revenues but miss on earnings. You'll no doubt hear the usual catch phrases such a "pricing power", "synergies" etc. If they claim to have "pricing power" then it will be kind of hard to BS their way around falling earnings if they miss on them.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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You Repubs shouldn't go around bragging about your over ride of Taft Hartley because Taft Hartley severely curtailed the powers afforded workers under the National Labor Relations Act Of 1935. Yes, I did make a misstatement by mentioning TH when I meant the NLRA but what stands out here is that TH is just one of many examples of the GOP's generations long anti union/anti worker stance. They've always been that way....and always will be.
Hey there little lady.
Thought you had me on ignore:
You just went on ignore.
Why do you people lie so much?
Lulz
 

fedx

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Something you're forgetting here. It was those evil communist sympathizing pinko leftist Democrats who managed to get Taft Hartley passed into law which gave workers the right to form unions in the first place. And they did it despite bitter Republican opposition.
You cannot have a pro union, pro organized labor blue collar workforce nation until you have a pro union Congress and pro union set of judges sitting on the bench. So tell me, are you a registered voter? If so then what party do you belong to. I bet you're a registered Republican. One of if not the most anti union party in the history of this nation. And a person who votes a straight GOP ticket every time. And if as expected the GOP takes back control of Congress after next year's midterms I guarantee you any pro organized labor bills that may be introduced will never get out of committee.

So quit blaming the Democrats for your willful decision to consistently vote against your own self interests.


The problem is I'm not a one issue voter. Although I have nothing against unions, why not just have "good paying jobs" period? Why do they need to be union jobs? If they're good paying, then you don't need a union. In the case of Express, they do need a union since they screw their employees over year after year.

But when you vote Democrat to support unions, you are also voting for the party that wants to take away your guns, have open borders while letting the 3rd world flood in. You're also voting for racial division as the left loves to pit one group against another. You're also voting for transsexuals reading stories at your local elementary school for some insane reason. You're also voting for the party that wants to keep our country locked down forever for a virus that has a 99.98% survival rate. If you're a one issue voter and only care about a union, then vote Democrat. But I care about a lot more than just unions which is why I can't vote Democrat.
 
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bacha29

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Democrats don't do a damn thing for unions, stop pushing that lie. See: Democrats deregulated the trucking industry.
And the telephone , public utility, insurance airlines and numerous other industries giving people more shopping choices and I'm quite confident that you took full advantage of it.
 

bacha29

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Crushed earnings and announced billions in share buybacks.


Ol Raj was on CNBC a few minutes ago. Bragging about all the thousands of job applications they're getting. Never said a word about how many are going out the other end. That combined with the 7B cap ex expenditures and 5B in stock buybacks doesn't look like you guys have much to look forward to in the way of meaningful wage increases. And as a result you'll at least for awhile continue to lag behind UPS. Working for Fat Freddy has indeed become simply transitional employment. Just something to tide you over and buy you some time to get to a better place.
 

opie

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Ol Raj was on CNBC a few minutes ago. Bragging about all the thousands of job applications they're getting. Never said a word about how many are going out the other end. That combined with the 7B cap ex expenditures and 5B in stock buybacks doesn't look like you guys have much to look forward to in the way of meaningful wage increases. And as a result you'll at least for awhile continue to lag behind UPS. Working for Fat Freddy has indeed become simply transitional employment. Just something to tide you over and buy you some time to get to a better place.
Peak season numbers were not included as this earnings was for fiscal quarter ending November 30th. I personally thought earnings was going to be bad. But they are charging more per delivery, so it offsets the increased labor costs etc...at UPS this peak has been "slow". So my thought process is that our earnings may miss, but with package delivery work subcontracted to PVDs and peak season surcharges. UPS may very well come out ahead once again, as they have been doing since the start of this pandemic.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

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And the telephone , public utility, insurance airlines and numerous other industries giving people more shopping choices and I'm quite confident that you took full advantage of it.
Democrats don't do a damn thing for unions, stop pushing that lie. See: Democrats deregulated the trucking industry.
 
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