UPS accused by New York of illegal cigarette shipments
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clean hairy
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Why go after UPS?
Go after the folks shipping the smokes.
Of course, that is logical and makes sense which some folks do not understand.
Go after the folks shipping the smokes.
Of course, that is logical and makes sense which some folks do not understand.
upschuck
Well-Known Member
They saw what we gave up in the prescription settlement, now they want a piece of the pie.
SignificantOwner
A Package Center Manager
I support user taxes also. For example those that use roads the most should pay the bulk of building and maintenance expense.
rod
Retired 23 years
I haven't had a kid in K-12 school in 20 years. Does that mean I shouldn't have to pay school district taxes? From what I've witnesses around here it don't appear we are getting much bang for our buck. We've got beautiful schools with 30 foot high entryways (just extra space to heat all winter) , piped in music, swimming pools that would rival any Olympic pool out there and yet the yearly grads still struggle to make change for a buck. It was just announced this week that out school district is after another 2.2 million dollars to freshen up some class rooms and (here we go again) redesign the entry way on one of the grade schools. I just laugh anymore when some crybaby school board member or educator says "its for the kids". BS.
Why? Because UPS has shown they are quick to.write a check to make it all go away.
I think it's called "Choice"
PT Car Washer
Well-Known Member
I agree. Feed your addiction or feed yourself.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
That would be trucking companies, who will simply pass any additional road taxes on to the end customers as part of the cost of doing business.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
I agree that cigarettes are an unhealthy addiction, but that is beside the point.
The point.... it that it is inherently unfair for a majority to impose a ruinous tax upon a minority who not have enough votes to protect themselves from it. That is sort of like 3 wolves and 1 lamb voting upon what will be served for dinner.
I have no problem with the idea of putting an appropriate tax on cigarettes that is earmarked specifically towards paying for the increased health care costs associated with their use, but that isn't what is happening in New York.
But isn't that basically how every tax gets passed? Nobody votes to raise their own taxes. You're really talking about the margin by which the tax passes and that margin gives the appearance that is majority seems tyrannical.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
The tax on cigarettes in New York is ruinous, ridiculous, and out of all proportion to the tax charged in any other state, to the point that a black market in smuggled cigarettes has been created. And it is a tax that has been targeted specifically at a minority that cant protect itself. Sales taxes and income taxes, on the other hand, apply to all people.
clean hairy
Well-Known Member
Our jobs are to move and deliver boxes.
When did we become the Package Contents Police?
When did we become the Package Contents Police?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
The only things that I look for are the reuse of "booze boxes" and people who try to ship booze. I have lost count of how many shipments of booze I have stopped at the pickup point.
HEFFERNAN
Huge Member
The New York World's Fair in 1964 was state of the art but eventually it will always need an upgrade if you want to keep it up to par. I have neighbors behind me that fought tooth and nail that the elementary school that had their kids in it was not good enough and needed improvement, then their kids were no longer there and didn't want to pay for asbestos removal and upgrades. As taxpayers, we are obligated to keep schools up to par. It keeps the community young and helps the tax base. It's like young people not wanting to fund the senior center. It's the community as a whole that appreciates.
oldngray
nowhere special
The schools need to be good stewards of the taxpayers money and not waste it. A couple of years ago the city near me bought iPads for all high school students in the ghetto. That lasted 2 or 3 weeks before all were missing or damaged and the school cancelled the program. Also at the end of the school year if the school has any money left it goes on a spending spree buying stuff they don't need so it all gets spent (from fear of their budget being cut if they don't). I believe in supporting schools but not blindly throwing money at them without accountability.
Packmule
Well-Known Member
If it's not going to elaborate buildings, while others are falling apart and full of mold, it's going straight into the pockets of superintendents and their legeons of assistants.
Wouldn't mind seeing a reasonable increase if it went to teachers and THEIR assistants. 6 grandchildren in the district, I'm willing. But put the money where it needs to go.
clean hairy
Well-Known Member
Scool Districts cry how poor they are and can't afford what is required to give our kids a good education.
YET, they have millions to spend on a Football Stadium!
Case in point, check out how the Allen High School stadium.
Falling apart and not being used due to cheap materials.
Can't remeber offhand, 10 or 15 mil?
YET, they have millions to spend on a Football Stadium!
Case in point, check out how the Allen High School stadium.
Falling apart and not being used due to cheap materials.
Can't remeber offhand, 10 or 15 mil?
In reality the government doesn't really want people to quit smoking but it would be bad PR to really say that. Smoking does two things the government likes. First they collect more taxes and second some people that smoke will die sooner so they don't collect Social security or use medicare.
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