tieguy
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Thats a good argument! But then why is the new york and new jersey plans just as bad as cs and they both are single employer funds? I will not disagree with you that we work hard for our money and that we do deserve a good pension and medical when we retire.
Where did this information suddenly come from?
You speak of the management perks which also have taken a big hit in what they now receive compared to 10, 15 and 20 years ago.
Some is better, some is worse some is just different. You can't make a blanket statement on something you know nothing of.
Can management retire at any age?
No and niether can the teamsters.
Do they get medical coverage when they reire with 25 and 30 years of service at age 50?
Perhaps thats where the CS plan really got screwed up. They offered much less prior to 97. UPS has an offer of 25 and out at age 50 for 3000 a month in 97. All of a sudden CS decides they can do the same. Clearly a move by Carey to counter. Maybe CS is in trouble because they tried to do too much in an effort to keep UPS at bay.
You expect us to show some trust in this company thats cuts cost at will and cannot live upto the contract they agreed to?
UPS provides a good pension for its non-union employees. Their fund is in good shape. They pay out. This one is a no brainer.
Maybe ups should show us that they are a trust worthy company instead of the numbers company they have become!
they already have.
If the company acted like the teamsters we would all be out of work in a year. The teamsters are in no position in this contract to demand anything. All of the pension funds are losing ground and it's not because UPS is trying to screw anybody. If you really think about it, maybe the powers to be had seen this coming back in 1997 and at that time tried to prevent this situation from coming to a head as it has 10 years later. Give the guys that run this company some credit, we wouldn'y be around for 100 years if somebody didn't know what the hell they were doing.
good point.
Where did this information suddenly come from?
You speak of the management perks which also have taken a big hit in what they now receive compared to 10, 15 and 20 years ago.
Some is better, some is worse some is just different. You can't make a blanket statement on something you know nothing of.
Can management retire at any age?
No and niether can the teamsters.
Do they get medical coverage when they reire with 25 and 30 years of service at age 50?
Perhaps thats where the CS plan really got screwed up. They offered much less prior to 97. UPS has an offer of 25 and out at age 50 for 3000 a month in 97. All of a sudden CS decides they can do the same. Clearly a move by Carey to counter. Maybe CS is in trouble because they tried to do too much in an effort to keep UPS at bay.
You expect us to show some trust in this company thats cuts cost at will and cannot live upto the contract they agreed to?
UPS provides a good pension for its non-union employees. Their fund is in good shape. They pay out. This one is a no brainer.
Maybe ups should show us that they are a trust worthy company instead of the numbers company they have become!
they already have.
If the company acted like the teamsters we would all be out of work in a year. The teamsters are in no position in this contract to demand anything. All of the pension funds are losing ground and it's not because UPS is trying to screw anybody. If you really think about it, maybe the powers to be had seen this coming back in 1997 and at that time tried to prevent this situation from coming to a head as it has 10 years later. Give the guys that run this company some credit, we wouldn'y be around for 100 years if somebody didn't know what the hell they were doing.
good point.
