UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 2012

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

RNO...i read the last conference call felt comfortable
coal is going to be with us for a long long time
i bought RNO on 11/20/2012...520 shares @$13.90 for $7237.95...dividend $231.40 every quarter (up 1 dividend)...next dividend around May 14th, 2012
hit $13.90 today (2/26/12)...closed at $14.00...anything under $14.00 is a good point to get in
when i bought it the stock went down but i was comfortable with the price...stock ran up 19% before the ex date...probably should of grabbed the $900 and sold but i like to hold
my opinion NRP was passed because coal isn't liked by Obama but we need it for electricity

RNO daily prices
RHINO RESOURCE PARTNERS LP COM UNIT REPSTG LTD PARTNER Quote Page (RNO)

anything can happen when buying stocks...markets can go down and sectors can get hammered...bad news can come anytime u own it...u never know

i feel RNO is at a nice price point in a market thats mostly overvalued...stock pickers market

what's great about dividends is that if the stock goes down and doesn't come back u can get your money back slowly from the dividend

good luck to you if u pull the trigger...i own it and can sleep at night and don't worry at all but it's probably going to go down when u buy it...the important date is the ex date
that's when the public starts paying attention

 

[Benben]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

Limit order triggered today at 13.93 for RNO. Small buy but I can add later. I am thinking there will be a sizable pull back on the First due to Washington's idiocy. It'll be just like the day after the last election. I looked at LNG but I wont buy a non-Divi stock unless its a penny stock on the pink sheets and won't gamble more than a hundred or 2. I am not smarter than the guys who do it for a living and a divi is about the only way I can be in the market without directly compeating against the pros. I read a book by some guru and he said for every transaction there is a winner and a loser. I know there are many reasons to sell a stock but I believe the winner/loser relationship exists for the most part.

Planned buys on the first, limit orders set:

DHF-monthly payer, low beta and a tight trading band that, if it drops with the rest of the market, can easily hit a double-digit yield.
TWO-the special with SBY shares I think will more than cover costs and a sizable downturn if that happens.
NTI-BoA buy rating with a $34 target AND a monster yield! I just want a nice pull back. If the limit is reached we may have a big problem in this country I set it so low.

 

[Benben]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

Has anyone here converted their class A UPS shares to "B's" and sent them directly to their brokerage acount instead of just cashing them in and getting a check? Is there a fee? I know I lose 9 votes but what will it cost me? I tired getting info from Computershare but they were less than helpfull and I hung up wanting to slap the chick on the other end of the phone.

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

I love schooling people on stocks.

Dividends...oh please. What good is a dividend if the stock drops below, far below, your buy point? Can a dividend make up for a loss in equity. No. Dividends are bait for buy and hold bag holders. They never sell because they always feel they are getting paid "free money" to hold on to the stock.

PE are another gimmick to sucker bag holders into a "value trap." Wall St traders, mostly computers now, make money on volatility. Staging panic buys and panic sell is how they make there money. Convincing retail investor into believing in stock valuations like PE and PEG stat's allows them to sucker people into believing this pieces of paper, electronic ones at that (have you ever seen or take possession of a stock certificate?), are "valuable".

If a stock moves up 3-8% over a 6 month time frame you can sell and pocket a higher yield than a dividend and be in the RELATIVE safety of cash. I've made 5% in a day or two, bugged out, and was ready for my next trade without being tied to the whims of the trading computers.

"Yea, but, stocks always go up right? Just look at the market isn't it near all time highs?" Yes, and , NO! Adjusted for inflation stocks are trading 30% below there peak. Measured in GOLD (gold is real money everything else is a derivative or debt) stocks are trading at half of the current index value.

The market today is a fiction of inflation. The Federal Reserve has pumped trillions of printed money into the system to push money out of safe assets and into more riskier ones, like stocks. By the end of this year its balance sheet will swell to over 4 trillion dollars representing 26% of the GDP. How can they take that out and not crash the economy? They can't. So reflation of assets prices and reducing debt through inflation is the game. Even if the S&P reaches 2700 by 2015 in NOMINAL terms it would still be worth less than it was in 2001. Even if your stretch your time line out 10-20-30 years the S&P has gained , with dividends, an inflation adjusted average of...wait for it...3% OR LESS depending on who's inflation measurement you use and your holding time.

BUY AND HOLD is dead. DEAD DEAD DEAD! Trading for short duration's long or short and buying gold bullion and gold back ETF's (NOT THE GLD) will achieve both gains, reduce exposure to volatility, and protect equity. In today's money printing from the 4 biggest central banks I would recommend you put half your assets in gold and trading the rest for savings and spending dough.

Remember how many people where sitting on huge gains over the last 20 years only to have them wiped out in a flash...crash. Trees don't grow to the sky and stocks that go up go down too.

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

up $44k in 14 months...dividends are protection when the market has corrections and pays during good times

money talks bull**** walks...your entitled to your opinion...not 1 stock picked...u have zero credibility

flash crash...stocks bounced right back every time in milliseconds

everything u wrote is noise that means nothing

 

[Benben]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

"Remember how many people where sitting on huge gains over the last 20 years only to have them wiped out in a flash...crash. Trees don't grow to the sky and stocks that go up go down too."


I'll stick with divi's. 10% yielders doubles my money in 10 years. at that point I am, "playing with the house's money." You on the other hand live or die by what the market does. How's that Gold investment been doing for you in the past year and a half? I care about divi history and the company's financials and management that pays the divi.

Market crashed in '08 down 2+ years and came right back and is now higher than it was before the crash. The "buy and holders" lost nothing but a few years. Those that bought and held divi paying stocks....well, they just schooled the gamblers. And that is what you are talking about isn't it? You are gambling that someone will pay you more than what you paid for a stock. What exactly is a stock? Unless you are controlling 10% or more of the total outstanding number of shares it is NOTHING! A "piece of paper" that a corperation sold at some point in time IN THE PAST to generate capital to grow the bussiness. It is now only being bought and sold by outsiders. What is it worth? Honestly....what do you think that "piece of paper" is really worth? When you think you have the answer go talk to someone who owned General Motors stock 2 years ago. At least with a divi I am rewarded for having "faith" in a company.

Look BMXMC its your money you have the absolute right to do whatever you want with it. Me, I work damn hard for my money and I have a wife and 2 kids that are counting on me to feed them, not to be stupid and piss it away gambling on the stock market just so I can "claim" to have the biggest e-peen in some thread on Brown Cafe.

I am in the same boat as brownboyups. You have zero credibility from where I am sitting. Lets hear your picks, entry point, time frame and exit point. Don't gimme any crap about "last month I did this trade....and got this result." Lets hear your "schooling" picks and we can see what the results are and compare them against real people, not pros, who pick stocks with emphysis on dividends. I am willing to bet a steak dinner your numbers will exactly match a divi investor's numbers BEFORE the dividend is factored in. Or, I could be wrong and I need to re-evaluate my whole existence!

ps...Brownboyups, I can not throw any bigger bait out there than that, unless I started insulting his mom.

 

[oldngray]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

I only trade periodically when I look at my overall portfolio and usually always wait 6 months to 2 years before changing anything. The last change I made was selling a Lord Abbott dividend fund and move more money into growth stocks. I have learned to be conservative also. You can make more money if you are more aggressive but you also might lose your shirt.

 

[moreluck]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

I only trade periodically when I look at my overall portfolio and usually always wait 6 months to 2 years before changing anything. The last change I made was selling a Lord Abbott dividend fund and move more money into growth stocks. I have learned to be conservative also. You can make more money if you are more aggressive but you also might lose your shirt.

As evidenced by those playing with APPLE !!! Then it fell. Ta-dum !!

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

up $44k in 14 months...dividends are protection when the market has corrections and pays during good times

money talks bull**** walks...your entitled to your opinion...not 1 stock picked...u have zero credibility

flash crash...stocks bounced right back every time in milliseconds

everything u wrote is noise that means nothing

You want to live with your head in the sand then so be it.

44k during the biggest expansion in the money supply in the history of the world and you think you all that?

All you needed was a dart board to make money in stocks. As I said the Federal Reserve is in control of this "market." there was a time when price discovery was an buyer and seller coming together to agree on price now we have the Fed inflating asset prices and artificially depressing interest rates. You hold on to your BIG gains and watch it wash away when interest rates and money printing hits the wall.

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

"Remember how many people where sitting on huge gains over the last 20 years only to have them wiped out in a flash...crash. Trees don't grow to the sky and stocks that go up go down too."


I'll stick with divi's. 10% yielders doubles my money in 10 years. at that point I am, "playing with the house's money." You on the other hand live or die by what the market does. How's that Gold investment been doing for you in the past year and a half? I care about divi history and the company's financials and management that pays the divi.

Market crashed in '08 down 2+ years and came right back and is now higher than it was before the crash. The "buy and holders" lost nothing but a few years. Those that bought and held divi paying stocks....well, they just schooled the gamblers. And that is what you are talking about isn't it? You are gambling that someone will pay you more than what you paid for a stock. What exactly is a stock? Unless you are controlling 10% or more of the total outstanding number of shares it is NOTHING! A "piece of paper" that a corperation sold at some point in time IN THE PAST to generate capital to grow the bussiness. It is now only being bought and sold by outsiders. What is it worth? Honestly....what do you think that "piece of paper" is really worth? When you think you have the answer go talk to someone who owned General Motors stock 2 years ago. At least with a divi I am rewarded for having "faith" in a company.

Look BMXMC its your money you have the absolute right to do whatever you want with it. Me, I work damn hard for my money and I have a wife and 2 kids that are counting on me to feed them, not to be stupid and piss it away gambling on the stock market just so I can "claim" to have the biggest e-peen in some thread on Brown Cafe.

I am in the same boat as brownboyups. You have zero credibility from where I am sitting. Lets hear your picks, entry point, time frame and exit point. Don't gimme any crap about "last month I did this trade....and got this result." Lets hear your "schooling" picks and we can see what the results are and compare them against real people, not pros, who pick stocks with emphysis on dividends. I am willing to bet a steak dinner your numbers will exactly match a divi investor's numbers BEFORE the dividend is factored in. Or, I could be wrong and I need to re-evaluate my whole existence!

ps...Brownboyups, I can not throw any bigger bait out there than that, unless I started insulting his mom.

Gambling???? Are fricken kidding me. The whole market has become a casino.

There you again forgetting inflation and the true price of asset based on real money like GOLD! You completely ignore the effects of massive monetary intervention. You completely ignored my points to rationalize your investments. Good Charlie Brown.

For picks...SRTY short and URTY for long. I flip back and forth depending on market momentum and price channels of the index. Simple huh!

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

i respect your post

my opinion...scared money don't make money

there's stupid risk and then there's managed risk

i will always be in 100% stocks for the rest of my life and pass a lot of money to Gabrielle Rose who doesn't know it yet

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

I only trade periodically when I look at my overall portfolio and usually always wait 6 months to 2 years before changing anything. The last change I made was selling a Lord Abbott dividend fund and move more money into growth stocks. I have learned to be conservative also. You can make more money if you are more aggressive but you also might lose your shirt.

i respect your post

my opinion...scared money don't make money

there's stupid risk and then there's managed risk

i will always be in 100% stocks for the rest of my life and pass a lot of money to Gabrielle Rose who doesn't know it yet

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

dividend calendar...great tool for finding stocks

Dividend Calendar - 2013 Ex-Dividend Date Calendar - TheStreet

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

Want t read a person that has a firm grasp on whats going on in the "markets" than read more than a few of this guys submissions.

Michael Pento

Here's some more info...

Easy money will end in tears, Allan Meltzer says


[h=1]Druckenmiller Sees Storm Worse Than ’08 as Retirees Steal[/h]

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

added to my RNO position today...bought 285 shares @$13.6947 for $3,902.98...dividend $128.25 per quarter
805 total shares...dividend = $362.25 per quarter...$1,449.00 per year
total value of position $10,964.10

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

added to my RNO position today...bought 285 shares @$13.6947 for $3,902.98...dividend $128.25 per quarter
805 total shares...dividend = $362.25 per quarter...$1,449.00 per year
total value of position $10,964.10

If you would have bought this stock (RNO) this time last year you would have lost over 33% in equity. Chart looks like a ski slop. Coal is yesterdays fuel as can been seen by looking at the chart. Stock that go down generally continue to go down. Worst yet, stock that pay high dividends far over industry levels get cut. When they cut them the stock take a bigger hit. This stock trades on average around 60k a day/ not very liquid in a sell off.

I never trade any stock that trades below 1 million shares daily. I want liquidity when I want sell.

Not every trade I make turns out right. I'm about 1 out of 3 winners to loser. Yet I stay ahead because I sell my winners quick and my loser even quicker. I only use 25% of my cash asset to trade the rest in cash/gold/real estate.

Look at IAU for equity security. Average down or up. April 1st the new Japanese central bank will being to print far more money to inflate there assets There target is 2% inflation. To get there the Yen will have to rise from now 90 to 125 to the dollar. That's a lot of paper. The bank of England is already gearing up to buy more bonds the the ECB is getting ready to bailout Spain/Greece/ and Italy...again. Currency wars/Shale gas/ and the site of smog so thick you can't see your hand in front of your face in Beijing because of coal fired plants are big headwinds to your position.

Good luck.






Japanese take action against Chinese smog

 

[brownboyups]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

HOSPITALITY PROPERTIES TRUST
(HPT) passes my earnings test...dividends going back up
on my watch list

 

[Benben]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

"If you would have bought this stock (RNO) this time last year you would have lost over 33% in equity......Look at IAU for equity security."
You are not seeing what we see. Rno Mar2, 2012=$18.00. Mar2, 2012=$13.90. $4.10 diff. during that time RNO share holders received $1.83. $2.27 loss in 12 months or 16.3%. IAU 52 week high=$17.48. Currently at $15.32. Difference of $2.16 or a declince of 14.1%. 2% difference in your approach and a divi investor's approach on this particular comparrison. The difference is with the divi investor has collected $1.83 and you have collected/gained well...exactly squat....$0.0. As Cramer is often to point out. You have not gained anything untill you ring the register.

 

[Benben]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

This is just 2 different approaches. I have a full time job that I love. I do not have the time to babysit my investments every hour of every day. I can "speculate" on a particular stock, that it will increase in value or I can gamble on options. My perfered method to beat the .01% intrest offered for savings accounts is to do a little homework (about 1 hour a day as I try to wind down from a 12 hour delivery day) and put my hard earned money into divi stocks. I pick companies with track records of increasing dividend payments and solid financials (kind of like UPS stock.) I will set stop-loss limits and then collect the dividends. I will put my holdings into an app on my phone and at lunch I'll pull up that app and see if there is any current news about that stock- learned this leason from my first purchase pf PTNR. The difference in our approaches is that I don't really care what my stock did that day or even week/month or year. I look at the yield I received for my money invested. low entry points for a higher yield is what makes me smile.


History tells us that the market will always go up if you have a long view point. Divi stocks will go up with the market, maybe not as large or as fast as a growth stock, but they go up. The dividend magnifies this capital growth with less volatility. For every bear "expert" you list I can list a bull "expert." you links are just opinions of so called experts.

 

[BMWMC]

Re: UPS/Teamster 401k...Prudential to a Dreyfus self managed account...+22.86% for 20

This is just 2 different approaches. I have a full time job that I love. I do not have the time to babysit my investments every hour of every day. I can "speculate" on a particular stock, that it will increase in value or I can gamble on options. My perfered method to beat the .01% intrest offered for savings accounts is to do a little homework (about 1 hour a day as I try to wind down from a 12 hour delivery day) and put my hard earned money into divi stocks. I pick companies with track records of increasing dividend payments and solid financials (kind of like UPS stock.) I will set stop-loss limits and then collect the dividends. I will put my holdings into an app on my phone and at lunch I'll pull up that app and see if there is any current news about that stock- learned this leason from my first purchase pf PTNR. The difference in our approaches is that I don't really care what my stock did that day or even week/month or year. I look at the yield I received for my money invested. low entry points for a higher yield is what makes me smile.


History tells us that the market will always go up if you have a long view point. Divi stocks will go up with the market, maybe not as large or as fast as a growth stock, but they go up. The dividend magnifies this capital growth with less volatility. For every bear "expert" you list I can list a bull "expert." you links are just opinions of so called experts.

Your a long holder of stocks. That I get. Given diffident time horizons returns vary greatly. Over the last 12 years stocks including dividends are negative on a nominal bases. Over 20 years they done a little better. But past performance is no guarantee of future performance. The world economies, the stock market, and investing have changed like no other time in history. This is what you fail to see. Your investing like nothing has changed and historical trends are your friend.

Not so. If you had listen to any on the vid's I posted you would have grasp it. Today markets are controlled by central banks not investor. Capitalism died with there intervention into the markets. Some have argued that if they hadn't we would have seen the collapse of the world economies. That's really the behind the curtain reality. The world economies did collapsed. The fractional banking system collapsed. Its being propped up by massive money printing, debt spending, and fictional reports of "recovery."

The reality is there to much debt, public, private, and corporate and not enough revenue or growth to pay it. The collapse of the Greek economy is an example of what the whole world faces. Sure we are the worlds reserve currency but we like the rest of the world are in a races to devalue. I want you think about the crash of 2008. All the central banks have done is paper over the crash. We went from a world in which everyone was betting on WHAT return they could make on there capital to simple a return OF there capital. Very quickly too. All the stop losses in the world won't help when all there is are sellers and no buyers.

I don't use gold to make money I own it to protect its purchasing power.

I use limit orders and stop losses too, but, as a trading mechanism so I don't have to watch them every second. My trading broker has a trailing stop loss so I can continue to ride it higher and capture any gains above a certain % reversal.

At some point (its called the ratchet effect) the central banks will have to print more and more money getting less and less economic and stock market pump-a-thon out of it. QE1 brought the stock prices up 50%, QE2 bought the market up 25% and now QE3 to infinity has only brought the market up 12%. Its the law diminished returns.

Failing to recognize the role of the central banks , there relationship to stock prices, and inflation is a much bigger gamble on your part then any trade I'll make. When they finally lose control over the currency with people losing faith in it the jig will be up and all the dividends, stop losses, and prayers by your bedside won't do any good. Listen to this interview. Take 4.19 minutes and listen carefully, VERY carefully, to the words he uses to describe what the current situation is.