US can send fresh weapons to Ukraine within days

[sailfish]

It's sad to see so many pro-Putin people here.

You're so generous with everyone else's money.

 

[rickyb]

How so?

well it all comes down to your news sources

@Box Ox is wrong too for the same reason

 

[rickyb]

You're so generous with everyone else's money.

protest about what you want the money to be spent on.

theres something call participatory budgeting.

 

[sailfish]

protest about what you want the money to be spent on.

I want to keep what's mine. I'll worry about I spend it on myself.

 

[rickyb]

I want to keep what's mine. I'll worry about I spend it on myself.

if you want no taxes then you ahve to protest for that too.

people in power typically wont gift you anything.

 

[728ups]

Sure, but they’re probably not going to kick the Russians out with the level of support we’re willing to provide.

I hope our objective is to help Ukraine enter and utilize a strong negotiating position. Unrealistic goals will eventually lead to the Ukrainians being overrun.

Russia is being bled dry in the Ukraine. I feel part of this is part of a bigger strategy: the US has wanted to strike at Iran for many years but fears of Russian intervention held that in check.
Supplying Ukraine with weapons to weaken Russia also weakens Russia’s intervention in the Middle East.
Arming Israel so strikes can me made against Iran is part of the Big Picture . Both enemies are being attacked, weakened and no US servicemen are endangered.
It’s a simple beautiful plan

 

[Babagounj]

Russia is being bled dry in the Ukraine. I feel part of this is part of a bigger strategy: the US has wanted to strike at Iran for many years but fears of Russian intervention held that in check.
Supplying Ukraine with weapons to weaken Russia also weakens Russia’s intervention in the Middle East.
Arming Israel so strikes can me made against Iran is part of the Big Picture . Both enemies are being attacked, weakened and no US servicemen are endangered.
It’s a simple beautiful plan

Great plan.
So where does stopping China from building up their military fit in ?

 

[728ups]

Great plan.
So where does stopping China from building up their military fit in ?

Trade with the USA keeps China happy. For now

 

[vantexan]

well it all comes down to your news sources

@Box Ox is wrong too for the same reason

That's no answer. How are we wrong about capitalism? Can you show me a socialist country with a comparable economy?

 

[vantexan]

Russia is being bled dry in the Ukraine. I feel part of this is part of a bigger strategy: the US has wanted to strike at Iran for many years but fears of Russian intervention held that in check.
Supplying Ukraine with weapons to weaken Russia also weakens Russia’s intervention in the Middle East.
Arming Israel so strikes can me made against Iran is part of the Big Picture . Both enemies are being attacked, weakened and no US servicemen are endangered.
It’s a simple beautiful plan

We were afraid of Russian intervention? You do know we took out about 500 Russian mercenaries in Syria don't you?

When are you going to realize that Russian demographics are some of the worst in the world? That their oil production in Siberia was being managed by British Petroleum, which pulled up stakes at the start of the war? That Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union has limited industrial capacity? That their education system has been falling apart since the '80's?

Russia isn't some juggernaut who's going to overrun the West. They can't even overrun Ukraine. Their economy has been terribly mismanaged. Ukraine is exposing them for the paper tiger they are. They may ultimately beat Ukraine just because of sheer numbers. But this war was supposed to be over very quickly but it's over two years now and Russia has gotten the worst if it. Close to a million Russians have left the country to avoid military service.

Israel is a First World country with nukes and a modern military. It retaliated against Iran. It's not at war with Iran. Not similar to how Ukraine is draining Russian resources. Israel is draining resources fighting Hamas. That's why they're getting our aid.

 

[rickyb]

That's no answer. How are we wrong about capitalism? Can you show me a socialist country with a comparable economy?

emilia romagna region in italy has a huge socialist worker run economy and one of the highest incomes per capita in europe bc of course the workers pay themselves instead of letting a capitalist take it all. in addition, capitalism is polluting too much and therefore doesnt actually work in that aspect either.

see the problem is vantexan is its more difficult for people to be honest with themselves than it is for a soldier to go to war. the average person lies to themselves on average 1-2x per day.

 

[vantexan]

emilia romagna region in italy has a huge socialist worker run economy and one of the highest incomes per capita in europe bc of course the workers pay themselves instead of letting a capitalist take it all. in addition, capitalism is polluting too much and therefore doesnt actually work in that aspect either.

see the problem is vantexan is its more difficult for people to be honest with themselves than it is for a soldier to go to war. the average person lies to themselves on average 1-2x per day.

Can you show me any economy that's comparable as the U.S.? No, you can't. We have states with bigger economies than Italy does, let alone a region of Italy. Not comparable. The only person lying to himself is you.

 

[UnionStrong]

Can you show me any economy that's comparable as the U.S.? No, you can't. We have states with bigger economies than Italy does, let alone a region of Italy. Not comparable. The only person lying to himself is you.

If England was a US state, it would be the poorest in the country. Fact. Behind Mississippi.

 

[rickyb]

Can you show me any economy that's comparable as the U.S.? No, you can't. We have states with bigger economies than Italy does, let alone a region of Italy. Not comparable. The only person lying to himself is you.

a big economy means what? extreme financialization, extreme medical prices, satanic weapons production

a big economy is no measure of something good.

you have to understand that the matrix was likely about how much we are being lied to but its also partly about the lies we tell ourselves.

 

[vantexan]

If England was a US state, it would be the poorest in the country. Fact. Behind Mississippi.

It's actually the 6th largest economy in the world. That's the interesting thing about economies. Mexico's has grown into now being ranked 12th. But still has about 40% poverty. Some do very well, a lot don't. We used to have the largest middle class in the world. Think we're tilting towards a working class majority.

 

[vantexan]

a big economy means what? extreme financialization, extreme medical prices, satanic weapons production

a big economy is no measure of something good.

you have to understand that the matrix was likely about how much we are being lied to but its also partly about the lies we tell ourselves.

A big economy is a measure of opportunities for people to better themselves through hard work. You believe in a fantasy where everyone can be equal with equal outcomes. Doesn't work and never has.

 

[rickyb]

A big economy is a measure of opportunities for people to better themselves through hard work. You believe in a fantasy where everyone can be equal with equal outcomes. Doesn't work and never has.

so your saying which is a completely different topic vs which economies are socialist and deliver prosperity, is there is a relation between social mobility and gdp per capita?

i guarantee you its not good in america and you already agree with me 50% of america is almost poor or worse.

Let’s not give up on the American Dream: Testimony before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

On July 17, 2019, EPI President Thea Lee testified before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on economic mobility in the United States.

www.epi.org

 

[rickyb]

A big economy is a measure of opportunities for people to better themselves through hard work. You believe in a fantasy where everyone can be equal with equal outcomes. Doesn't work and never has.

i dont see a correllation

U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility

The notion that anyone in America who is willing and able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” can achieve significant upward mobility is deeply embedded in U.S. society. Conventional wisdom holds that class barriers in the United States are the lowest among the world’s advanced...

www.epi.org

 

[vantexan]

so your saying which is a completely different topic vs which economies are socialist and deliver prosperity, is there is a relation between social mobility and gdp per capita?

i guarantee you its not good in america and you already agree with me 50% of america is almost poor or worse.

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Let’s not give up on the American Dream: Testimony before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs

On July 17, 2019, EPI President Thea Lee testified before the Economic Policy Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs on economic mobility in the United States.

www.epi.org

There's nothing wrong with being working class. That's a far cry from poverty. What matters is whether there are opportunities for upward mobility? Still a lot of opportunity in the U.S.

 

[vantexan]

i dont see a correllation

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U.S. lags behind peer countries in mobility

The notion that anyone in America who is willing and able to “pull themselves up by their bootstraps” can achieve significant upward mobility is deeply embedded in U.S. society. Conventional wisdom holds that class barriers in the United States are the lowest among the world’s advanced...

www.epi.org

What that graph doesn't say is that the U.S. has a much larger population than the others. There are more people doing well in the U.S. than in the entire population of many of those countries. So it's not a fair comparison.