Whackadoos Troll About Opioids

[It will be fine]

actually the use of cocaine and heroin increased. consumption did not decrease

Decriminalization & the Portuguese Example - SmartDrugPolicy

Did you read your link? Usage is up but more addicts seek treatment. One can recreationally use drugs without being an addict.

 

[bbsam]

Did you read your link? Usage is up but more addicts seek treatment. One can recreationally use drugs without being an addict.

Not sure that's true with heroine.

Then again I've never tried it and don't know.

 

[It will be fine]

Not sure that's true with heroine.

Then again I've never tried it and don't know.

It is, it's rare but I've known people that causally used heroin and were otherwise functional members of society.

 

[vantexan]

It is, it's rare but I've known people that causally used heroin and were otherwise functional members of society.

My wife's father was a heroin addict who couldn't hold a job, went to prison for burglary, and committed suicide at 37. Not a fan.

 

[It will be fine]

And the Netherlands and Switzerland have had serious problems trying that.

Decriminalization has better societal outcomes. Prohibition doesn't lower usage rates. These are facts, our public policy should reflect facts and what produces the best outcomes for society. Giving addicts a criminal record doesn't help society.

 

[newfie]

Did you read your link? Usage is up but more addicts seek treatment. One can recreationally use drugs without being an addict.

if usage is up then the problem just go worse. you do realize that once an addict always an addict?

 

[It will be fine]

if usage is up then the problem just go worse. you do realize that once an addict always an addict?

Usage does not equal addiction

 

[newfie]

My brother was busted with a needle in his arm. Thankfully they didn’t toss him in prison but put him in a state sponsored rehab program instead. He’s been clean for a year now and working.

still an addict . initial avoidance would have been a better path

 

[newfie]

Usage does not equal addiction

does not equal or does not lead to?

 

[It will be fine]

does not equal or does not lead to?

An addict is an addict regardless of usage

 

[newfie]

An addict is an addict regardless of usage

thank you . now you're thinking . does a user who is not an addict require the treatment you proudly proclaimed earlier...hmmm?

 

[Non sequitur]

New compromise law: you can grow your own but if you sell it you get a one-way ticket to be an organic poppy farmer in Afghanistan. Oh yeah and if you're denied employment tough luck

 

[It will be fine]

thank you . now you're thinking . does a user who is not an addict require the treatment you proudly proclaimed earlier...hmmm?

What point are you trying to make? Most drug users aren't addicts requiring treatment. Addicts that need treatment should have easy access to it without criminal liability. Are we on the same page?

 

[floridays]

Decriminalization has better societal outcomes. Prohibition doesn't lower usage rates. These are facts, our public policy should reflect facts and what produces the best outcomes for society. Giving addicts a criminal record doesn't help society.

You truthfully have no concern for societal outcomes, you personally want to use with no fear of criminal jeopardy. San Francisco has some of the most lenient drug policies, how is that working for society as a whole?

"Giving addicts a criminal record doesn't help society."[/QUOTE]Giving society more addicts without a criminal record doesn't help society either. Let's just cut through the BS, you want All drugs legalized to dispose of the possibility of criminal jeopardy.

 

[floridays]

Usage does not equal addiction

It can though. A correlation would be having intercourse, having intercourse doesn't always lead to pregnancy, but abstaining never does.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

if usage is up then the problem just go worse. you do realize that once an addict always an addict?

Not necessarily.

Usage does not equal addiction

Depends upon the dosage and frequency.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

portugal decided to legalize everything and treat addiction as a health issue rather than punishing.

Can we assume that Portugal has socialized medicine?

 

[newfie]

I don't think it is the business of government to declare drugs illegal.
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this is where I part on the libertarian philosophy. that heroin addict becomes a threat to me and my family when he engages in criminal activity to help pay for his addiction.

 

[Catatonic]

this is where I part on the libertarian philosophy. that heroin addict becomes a threat to me and my family when he engages in criminal activity to help pay for his addiction.

Hmmm ... I would think everything becomes a threat to you and your family when it engages in criminal activity that affects you?!?

 

[vantexan]

You are morally bankrupt. You made the comment that I would abort a child in a heartbeat. I have children and that comment is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself for making it.

Show me any instance where prohibition has worked well in preventing drug use. Show me any instance where lying to children about the actual effects of drug use works well in prevention of drug abuse. Show me any instance where saddling countless young people with criminal records for nonviolent offenses is beneficial to society. I'm advocating solutions that are proving to actually be effective. Your obviously fake moral outrage doesn't fool anyone.

Exactly what do you mean about lying to children? And fake outrage? There's a huge opioid death epidemic going on right now. We should be doing everything possible to stop that but your solution is let people do what they want to do and let them get treatment.