2/3 rule used to ratify supplements

[Box Ox]

The first offer was last November.

The Constitution doesn't differentiate between first final, last final, best final,

They negotiated until UPS would not budge on anything else.

It was their final offer.

Does not mean that if it was turned down that there wouldn't be another, but at the time, it was a final offer.

The Teamsters’ constitutional rule was not interpreted the same way after the 2013 contract vote, when 10 supplements and riders were rejected, renegotiated, and re-voted, without meeting the vote thresholds the union is now demanding.

UPS made immediate notification after the 2018 vote results were released that they were willing to go back to the table. Teamster leadership, not so much.

We were sold the out by leadership and there’s no way around it.

 

[Box Ox]

The first offer was last November.

The Constitution doesn't differentiate between first final, last final, best final,

They negotiated until UPS would not budge on anything else.

It was their final offer.

Does not mean that if it was turned down that there wouldn't be another, but at the time, it was a final offer.

And other thing: if there had been a final offer made, the Company and Union would have just said so. Would have been much easier for them. But they didn’t. Because a final offer never happened.

 

[Mugarolla]

The Teamsters’ constitutional rule was not interpreted the same way after the 2013 contract vote, when 10 supplements and riders were rejected, renegotiated, and re-voted, without meeting the vote thresholds the union is now demanding.

UPS made immediate notification after the 2018 vote results were released that they were willing to go back to the table. Teamster leadership, not so much.

We were sold the out by leadership and there’s no way around it.

Maybe the IBT learned a lesson in 2013.

Some people will will never vote yes no matter what you give them.

 

[Box Ox]

Maybe the IBT learned a lesson in 2013.

Some people will will never vote yes no matter what you give them.

They won't? The 2013 supplements and riders were approved when renegotiated and voted on again. Teamster leadership did its job. During a time in which the economy was weaker and the business and regulatory environment more uncertain.

Any other excuses for the 2018 Teamster leadership that you'd like to put forth?

 

[Mugarolla]

The 2013 supplements and riders were approved when renegotiated and voted on again.

Not all.

Some took 3 tries. With little language changed, they only passed because the rest of the country was bitching at them for holding up their retro checks.

A few still didn't pass and were imposed.

Any other excuses for the 2018 Teamster leadership that you'd like to put forth?

Yes.

I don't believe Hoffa has the power, per the IBT Constitution, to apply the 2/3 rule to the Supplements, unless he invokes 2 (friend).

But the Master, yes.

How's that?

 

[Mugarolla]

They won't? The 2013 supplements and riders were approved when renegotiated and voted on again. Teamster leadership did its job. During a time in which the economy was weaker and the business and regulatory environment more uncertain.

Any other excuses for the 2018 Teamster leadership that you'd like to put forth?

And I am not defending Hoffa or the administration.

Go back and read my posts about Hoffa. I'm not a fan.

I am defending the IBT Constitution.

Don't bitch about a section that has been in there for 25 years and nobody has made an effort to change it.

Just like the contract, if we don't like what's in it, band together to change it.

Oh, that's right, we can't get people to vote.

 

[LagunaBrown]

@cheryl Is this really something you want on your website? Kinda creepy how he follows me around, emoji charms every one of my posts and tells me to kill myself.

 

[Bubblehead]

@cheryl Is this really something you want on your website? Kinda creepy how he follows me around, emoji charms every one of my posts and tells me to kill myself.

Below the creative charm I gave you is the date and time of the post.
Next to that is the "report" feature for the site.
That's how the site is designed to deal with your issue, unless you are just trying to throw yourself a pity party.

No wonder you can't seem to get an offensive video removed?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

We were sold the out by leadership and there’s no way around it.

Others, probably looked at it as "well this dissident group and TDU" started the

whole "vote no" thing before contact negotiations even started.


Now their gonna have to pay the piper for being such ***holes.

(we knew the members wouldn't vote anyway)

No representation ? Here.... hold my beer, it's IBT constitution time bitches.





-Bug-

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

@cheryl Is this really something you want on your website? Kinda creepy how he follows me around, emoji charms every one of my posts and tells me to kill myself.

Wow bro, tagging Cheryl in here....
You really think that's a good idea for you my guy?

Your the tool letting part timers take full time feeder spots idiot.

Ha ha! Imbecile!

You are rude and an idiot.

You are an idiot to even accuse somebody GTFU you amature your so TDU its embarrassing.

Your an idiot. How blind are you to see I stated the obvious.

you a a maroon than can’t listen to a point.

Some of the things you post are just flat stupidity.

That is an idiotic response.

you will look like an idiot. (Just ask realbrown1, he is living proof.)

Then you agree it didn't take long to figure out you guys are idiots.

Anyone one that reads this knows your a maroon.

obviously your Too Dumb to Understand. You have a sad existence.

Your a fool!!!!!

You are an idiot.

You sound like a fool

put your name on a ballot sissy boy!

What a loser!

You are a maroon

cowards like yourself.

If you can’t read the top of the thread and put it together you are an imbecile.

Complete stupidity. I’m not kidding when I say some of you guys are imbeciles!

I am not kidding the vote no guys are passionate but the most uniformed stupid people I have seen in my career at UPS!

 

[Bubblehead]

Others, probably looked at it as "well this dissident group and TDU" started the

whole "vote no" thing before contact negotiations even started.


Now their gonna have to pay the piper for being such ***holes.

(we knew the members wouldn't vote anyway)

No representation ? Here.... hold my beer, it's IBT constitution time bitches.





-Bug-

....and there it is

"we knew the members wouldn't vote anyway".

They were counting on it, then hid their agenda among a massive "vote yes" campaign, at the expense of the membership, both literally and figuratively.



~Bbbl~™

 

[BigUnionGuy]

....and there it is

"we knew the members wouldn't vote anyway".

They were counting on it, then hid their agenda among a massive "vote yes" campaign, at the expense of the membership, both literally and figuratively.



~Bbbl~™

There are always 2 sides to the coin.

What do you think, the company says in negotiations ?


"We are required to negotiate in good faith. But we can't give you the world

and everything in it.... when the members don't bother to vote."


People don't understand, the company is entitled to something out of the contract.

It's not a one way street. Look at what happened to Roadway and Yellow Freight.

The "vote no" response is always but, but, but, the company is making billions.



-Bug-

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

There are always 2 sides to the coin.

What do you think, the company says in negotiations ?


"We are required to negotiate in good faith. But we can't give you the world

and everything in it.... when the members don't bother to vote."


People don't understand, the company is entitled to something out of the contract.

It's not a one way street. Look at what happened to Roadway and Yellow Freight.

The "vote no" response is always but, but, but, the company is making billions.



-Bug-

It would appear that the company was entitled to everything with this contract. I am sure you disagree, but try to point out all of the great things that "we" got.

 

[Bubblehead]

There are always 2 sides to the coin.

What do you think, the company says in negotiations ?


"We are required to negotiate in good faith. But we can't give you the world

and everything in it.... when the members don't bother to vote."


People don't understand, the company is entitled to something out of the contract.

It's not a one way street. Look at what happened to Roadway and Yellow Freight.

The "vote no" response is always but, but, but, the company is making billions.



-Bug-

Oh, I get that, but when you are negotiating with a company that has been recording record profits consistently....

....any concession should be a deal breaker.

Nothing less than status quo....and it's a No.


BTW, your response was in no way related to my quoted text, making your response another "dodge".



~Bbbl~™

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Oh, I get that, but when you are negotiating with a company that has been recording record profits consistently....

....any concession should be a deal breaker.

Nothing less than status quo....or it's a No.


BTW, your response was in no way related to my quoted text, making your response another "dodge".



~Bbbl~™

There you go mentioning company profits. I hope Big Union Guy doesn't hear about this. You will get a strongly worded response. Strong=vague. Lol.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Below the creative charm I gave you is the date and time of the post.
Next to that is the "report" feature for the site.
That's how the site is designed to deal with your issue, unless you are just trying to throw yourself a pity party.

No wonder you can't seem to get an offensive video removed?

It’s her sight she can decide.

 

[Box Ox]

OK, Cobra Commander. LOL

 

[LagunaBrown]

OK, Cobra Commander. LOL

That’s cool.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Take it up with your therapist, I'm not responsible for your fragile ego.

 

[Box Ox]

Awww, @LagunaBrown , you edited out your calling a BC user an "Imbecile"! How's my referring to you as Cobra Commander gonna make sense without it?! LOL