804 election

[705red]

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I do not doubt what you say at any other time , but i find it hard to believe that ........outgoing Local 804 officials removed and erased hard drives and destroyed computer files needed to represent the membership.
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im pretty sure there would be some type of legal issues raised there. maybe just maybe said files are hidden under maybe a password protected section of the hard drives or something to that effect. i understand maybe there might be a bitter past union official or so but to outright screw the local the worked so hard to represent for X amount of years....sorry.
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just my 2 cents

Back in 2003 when our current slate upset the incumbents the same thing happened. It will take 804 some time to play catch up, but it sounds like you have a group of motivated agents and I have faith that they will get it done.

 

[CRASH501]

back in 2003 when our current slate upset the incumbents the same thing happened. It will take 804 some time to play catch up, but it sounds like you have a group of motivated agents and i have faith that they will get it done.

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.well they do sound motivated ....but again is there a legal issue with that ?

 

[AcesUp804]

I like how the new board complains about hard drives and files not being there. funny since most of row A never used computers at all ,they never scanned or put files about cases on them at all , every thing that UPS sent to 804 was via FAX or by mail no emails at all . Maybe they didn't keep records on the computer. The hard drives were erased or taking out because of personally stuff on them like credit card numbers , personal photos ( maybe to easre porn lol ) and when the new BA 's came to my building they had EVERY grievance EVERY arbitration case that the old board left nothing was missing at all at least from my building. But I did like how they ( our new BA's ) told the shop stewards how the medical was in bad shape and that the old board miss handled it ,(could be true ) and that prescriptions may go up to $25 , hey guys nice to meet you o bye the way , plant the seed?? this is what we will hear in the beginning every thing the new board has to do or change is because of what the old board did. sounds good.. Just do the job you were voted in to do and not make excuses or point fingers , but if the medical fund isn't doing good and needs help then take that $400,000 dollars you saved from your salary cuts and put it to the fund not educational classes they can wait our co-pays are more important then a union class. just my opinion. And for the record I voted row B

 

[CRASH501]

I like how the new board complains about hard drives and files not being there. funny since most of row A never used computers at all ,they never scanned or put files about cases on them at all , every thing that UPS sent to 804 was via FAX or by mail no emails at all . Maybe they didn't keep records on the computer. The hard drives were erased or taking out because of personally stuff on them like credit card numbers , personal photos ( maybe to easre porn lol ) and when the new BA 's came to my building they had EVERY grievance EVERY arbitration case that the old board left nothing was missing at all at least from my building. But I did like how they ( our new BA's ) told the shop stewards how the medical was in bad shape and that the old board miss handled it ,(could be true ) and that prescriptions may go up to $25 , hey guys nice to meet you o bye the way , plant the seed?? this is what we will hear in the beginning every thing the new board has to do or change is because of what the old board did. sounds good.. Just do the job you were voted in to do and not make excuses or point fingers , but if the medical fund isn't doing good and needs help then take that $400,000 dollars you saved from your salary cuts and put it to the fund not educational classes they can wait our co-pays are more important then a union class. just my opinion. And for the record I voted row B

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i miss my $3 or$5 copays ........$25 will suck

 

[local804]

I like how the new board complains about hard drives and files not being there. funny since most of row A never used computers at all ,they never scanned or put files about cases on them at all , every thing that UPS sent to 804 was via FAX or by mail no emails at all . Maybe they didn't keep records on the computer. The hard drives were erased or taking out because of personally stuff on them like credit card numbers , personal photos ( maybe to easre porn lol ) and when the new BA 's came to my building they had EVERY grievance EVERY arbitration case that the old board left nothing was missing at all at least from my building. But I did like how they ( our new BA's ) told the shop stewards how the medical was in bad shape and that the old board miss handled it ,(could be true ) and that prescriptions may go up to $25 , hey guys nice to meet you o bye the way , plant the seed?? this is what we will hear in the beginning every thing the new board has to do or change is because of what the old board did. sounds good.. Just do the job you were voted in to do and not make excuses or point fingers , but if the medical fund isn't doing good and needs help then take that $400,000 dollars you saved from your salary cuts and put it to the fund not educational classes they can wait our co-pays are more important then a union class. just my opinion. And for the record I voted row B

You are entitled to your opinion and you have made your point. Row A not using computers? can we be a little realistic here please?????? Maybe I will give you Tony M and Tom C but this is a 7500 person union with a credit union and benefits so to say not using computers I had to chuckle. Now you are also saying take the $400,000 from union dues money and put it into the medical fund? I have a better idea...... Take that money and educate the members(God knows some need it) and do what needs to be done to restore that fund to keep us on track. If you would rather go back to the old ways being kept in the dark then dont listen when the BA comes into the building.
They said they were not going to keep us in the dark, and communication with the members is a start.If you voted Row B, I voted Row A!

One other thing, try to make it a point to read the actuaries report from last year.She said the funds were mismanaged in her report and Howie was the one who hired her. It is what it is and it was what it was, thank God what it was is gone!

 

[CRASH501]

You are entitled to your opinion and you have made your point. Row A not using computers? can we be a little realistic here please?????? Maybe I will give you Tony M and Tom C but this is a 7500 person union with a credit union and benefits so to say not using computers I had to chuckle. Now you are also saying take the $400,000 from union dues money and put it into the medical fund? I have a better idea...... Take that money and educate the members(God knows some need it) and do what needs to be done to restore that fund to keep us on track. If you would rather go back to the old ways being kept in the dark then dont listen when the BA comes into the building.
They said they were not going to keep us in the dark, and communication with the members is a start.If you voted Row B, I voted Row A!

One other thing, try to make it a point to read the actuaries report from last year.She said the funds were mismanaged in her report and Howie was the one who hired her. It is what it is and it was what it was, thank God what it was is gone!

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WHY IS IT THAT WHEN BRUSH AVE'S NEW B.A. SHOWED UP THERE THE OTHER NIHT HE WAS ONLY SEEN WALKING AROUND WITH A ROW B SUPPORTER ?
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WHY IS IT THAT THERE WERE 3 SHOPPIES IN THE BUILDING AND HE DID NOT BOTHER TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO ANY OF THEM ?
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[local804]

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WHY IS IT THAT WHEN BRUSH AVE'S NEW B.A. SHOWED UP THERE THE OTHER NIHT HE WAS ONLY SEEN WALKING AROUND WITH A ROW B SUPPORTER ?
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WHY IS IT THAT THERE WERE 3 SHOPPIES IN THE BUILDING AND HE DID NOT BOTHER TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO ANY OF THEM ?
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I have a good idea, ask him? Serious........why post on here? I thought you were walked off the property? what were you doing there? There must have been alot of B supporters if it was Chris going by who voted for him

 

[CRASH501]

I never said i was there ! but i did spend 8 years in that building and do have friends......
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I also wasnt walked off the property L.P. simply watched me leave , although I was terminated I still have my uniforms and I.D. they have yet to be asked for .
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Im guessing when my final check is prepared ( vacation / oph's ) they will ask for the above.
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I have no reason to ask him , but in my oppinion that is not a good way to start a relationship , with your stewards ..

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as far as B supporters , out of Brush i highly doubt it , Im not saying there werent B suporters but a high volume i doubt .....and again he was seen only walking with 1 or 2 for the duration of his stay

 

[AcesUp804]

((You are entitled to your opinion and you have made your point. Row A not using computers? can we be a little realistic here please?????? Maybe I will give you Tony M and Tom C but this is a 7500 person union with a credit union and benefits so to say not using computers I had to chuckle. Now you are also saying take the $400,000 from union dues money and put it into the medical fund? I have a better idea...... Take that money and educate the members(God knows some need it) and do what needs to be done to restore that fund to keep us on track. If you would rather go back to the old ways being kept in the dark then don't listen when the BA comes into the building.
They said they were not going to keep us in the dark, and communication with the members is a start.If you voted Row B, I voted Row A!

One other thing, try to make it a point to read the actuaries report from last year.She said the funds were mismanaged in her report and Howie was the one who hired her. It is what it is and it was what it was, thank God what it was is gone! ))



maybe you just didn't read your post to well ,please don't make it sound like I'm saying to take another $400,000 from our union dues , this is the money Row B saved by cutting there salaries to use to educate our members instead (with is a great idea ) but if the medical plan needs help then use it toward that first.I don't want to be in the dark but don't throw a number out the of $25 , but I talked to stewards in other building and they said there new BA's didnt say any thing about the medical fund or maybe going up to $25 , as far as the computers in the hall i know the credit union and the medical used computers all the time , it was the BA's computers they were talking about, we don't know what was on those hard drives or what should have been on them that Row B says is missing .. but then again how up to date Row A website was wink wink It wouldn't surprise me if Row A didn't use computers alot ,, but I guess we will find out more at the general membership meeting. and just to be clear i didn't vote for a slate I voted for T Sylvester , T Magrene , P Mastrancisa , T Donato , Neil , Angelo , Frank , David O , Ken R , Mike H , Dan P , My Dream Team lol , so to me a vote for Tim is a vote for Row B.

 

[JonFrum]

. . . Im guessing when my final check is prepared ( vacation / oph's ) they will ask for the above. . .

Why are you still waiting for your money?

Article 23 --- Seperation of Employment
Upon discharge, the Employer shall pay all money due to the employee during the first (1st) payroll department working day.

 

[local804]

Good eye Jon
Acesup804, I could live with your dream team and I think it could have worked under Tim. You have my key players in and the two biggest faults out (Bill B Steve M) Cheers!

Crash, your Ba was a sneaky mother who held a porter bid up for weeks in case he lost his election so he could bid on it.I am not sure of the outcome, but I pray to God he didnt get that job.His new name is John Pondscum.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

This thread is exactly the reason I do not get involved in the Union.

 

[local804]

This thread is exactly the reason I do not get involved in the Union.

Company men never get involved anyway.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Company men never get involved anyway.

Judging from the stupidity surrounding a simple change in elected officials...

 

[CRASH501]

Why are you still waiting for your money?

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GOOD QUESTION .
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new union reps I await an answer

 

[CRASH501]

Good eye Jon
Acesup804, I could live with your dream team and I think it could have worked under Tim. You have my key players in and the two biggest faults out (Bill B Steve M) Cheers!

Crash, your Ba was a sneaky mother who held a porter bid up for weeks in case he lost his election so he could bid on it.I am not sure of the outcome, but I pray to God he didnt get that job.His new name is John Pondscum.

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sorry but i disagree

 

[705red]

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GOOD QUESTION .
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new union reps I await an answer

Because you still have the grievance procedure to go through. Correct?

If your termination was finalized you would receive the vacation you accrued. But keep in mind if you were off alot during 09 you might not qualify for your full vacation, and if you are not an employee I'm not sure if you would qualify for the once in a lifetime to receive all of your vacation time.

 

[local804]

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sorry but i disagree

disagree on what?

 

[local804]

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GOOD QUESTION .
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new union reps I await an answer

I hope your not asking them for an answer posting on here.....

 

[CRASH501]

I hope your not asking them for an answer posting on here.....

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SERIOUSLY ARE YOU THAT ANAL. or are there actual morons that expect there B.A.'s to answer there questions on an open forum ?
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I called the hall and am awaiting Chris' response
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as far as what I dont agree with
John has always been a stand up guy in my book , until proven otherwise and that wont be an easy task to convince me that the guy is anything other than a gentleman, you seem to have alotof information im just curios what building you are in , for some strange reason i feel we know eachother ...
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feel free to PM me .
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