Over70irregs
Well-Known Member
New possbile 9.5 language, any thoughts? Weak 9.5 Deal is No Solution
9.5 New Tentative Contract Language?
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Maple Grove MN Driver
Cocaine Mang!
Typical of the Weak Teamsters Union.
Pathetic what it has become
Pathetic what it has become
3 done 3 to go
In control of own destiny
Thanks Canada
Turdferguson
Just a turd
Can't have any thoughts on something we haven't seen. Do you have what was agreed on? I haven't seen anything but proposals from both sides
WorknLateHuh
Well-Known Member
unfortunately the chances of the 9.5 language moving in our favor is the same as Zero
35years
Gravy route
From UPS rising, tentative agreement, not the actual wording...
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On the Article 37 (c) tentative agreement, the drivers will no longer need to wait for a violation to get on the 9.5 list or go to the manager to get on the list. The union will collect the names of drivers who want to be on the 9.5 list and provide those names to management in January and June. In addition, a driver may elect to add or remove their names to the list at ANY TIME during the two five month periods, with one week's notice to UPS.
Finally, the provision dealing with repeated violations has also been significantly improved. The current language triggers a review by UPS and the union after three violations in a five month period and a higher level of review after any subsequent violation in that same five month period. The new language removes the first level review and triggers the higher-level review after four violations in a calendar year, which will expedite that process.
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So, no more waiting for a violation to be added to the list.
But no where to be found is the initial proposal for the triple time penalty and work load reduction (on first violation). Nor the $1 per hour bonus for not going on the list.
So you will still have to fight to get the penalty pay and workload reduction, but UPS will just not get a free violation before you are put on the list.
Improvement, but for those in weak locals who do not get the penalty pay and/or workload reductions now for violations, essentially no change.
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On the Article 37 (c) tentative agreement, the drivers will no longer need to wait for a violation to get on the 9.5 list or go to the manager to get on the list. The union will collect the names of drivers who want to be on the 9.5 list and provide those names to management in January and June. In addition, a driver may elect to add or remove their names to the list at ANY TIME during the two five month periods, with one week's notice to UPS.
Finally, the provision dealing with repeated violations has also been significantly improved. The current language triggers a review by UPS and the union after three violations in a five month period and a higher level of review after any subsequent violation in that same five month period. The new language removes the first level review and triggers the higher-level review after four violations in a calendar year, which will expedite that process.
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So, no more waiting for a violation to be added to the list.
But no where to be found is the initial proposal for the triple time penalty and work load reduction (on first violation). Nor the $1 per hour bonus for not going on the list.
So you will still have to fight to get the penalty pay and workload reduction, but UPS will just not get a free violation before you are put on the list.
Improvement, but for those in weak locals who do not get the penalty pay and/or workload reductions now for violations, essentially no change.
1989
Well-Known Member
If an under 4 year driver can get on the list. And without jumping through hoops. That is a huge gain.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
I didn't think about that. If that is part of the agreement that anyone can now get on the list. I would have to agree that it's a improvement.
If you can go on and off the 9.5 list at any time that sounds like a pretty decent deal to me. I knew the original proposal from the union was too far fetched. I'm a cover driver and in progression still and i've managed to get paid out on 9.5 grievances. Just have to get the language to work in your favor. My steward has said just file away and hope it sticks and it did.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
Too far fetched? It was actually pretty straightforward. Everyone is on the list-----you have to opt out if you want the OT.
Dragon
Package Center Manager
So if you guys/gals got that little gem, I cannot wait to see what was given back or given up...just sayin.
That aside, the rest of what they were looking for was a stretch. Obviously the company would never want all drivers under 9.5, then they'd have to hire more.
We gave up a few management spots.
1989
Well-Known Member
No mgmt spots means better pay, healthcare, pension, and an extra weeks vacation for me.
They could fix this problem but they refuse to. Get us out of the building earlier. It gets depressing when you package car looks the same at 10:30 as it did when you left the building. Give people a light day every now and then, with the understanding they will bring it back in early. Quit punishing drivers with the green light of death because someone always cries wolf.
1989
Well-Known Member
Every time the green light is to help. Which it normally is. I tell them, “i’ll Be 2 days closer to collecting comp instead of only one.”
728ups
All Trash No Trailer
We gained nothing with this little "gem" as you call it. The Labor manager will simply continue to delay/refuse to have the hearings as is SOP now and nothing will happen .Drivers will continue to be violated and over worked
Albert Awol
New Member
I'm new and have a question about the 9.5.
If your center asks you to come in early to help preload, and you come in at 8am (for instance), does 9.5 start from there OR does it start from 9am OR does it start from when you hit the road?
Also, are cover drivers allowed to be on the list?
I'm also assuming that this doesn't cover your break, so if you work 9.5 (without taking a break), are they going to take it out of the 9.5 (giving you 8.5) then complaining you only worked 8.5...?
If your center asks you to come in early to help preload, and you come in at 8am (for instance), does 9.5 start from there OR does it start from 9am OR does it start from when you hit the road?
Also, are cover drivers allowed to be on the list?
I'm also assuming that this doesn't cover your break, so if you work 9.5 (without taking a break), are they going to take it out of the 9.5 (giving you 8.5) then complaining you only worked 8.5...?
Benben
Working on a new degree, Masters in BS Detecting!
Sorry, I am calling shenanigans! Currently we have a review after 3 violations. Then a higher level review on the 4th violation after those 3, with the end result that the union can force UPS to add routes if they can not fix the driver's excessive overtime.
Now the new and "improved" contract says UPS doesn't have to worry about a review after 3 violations only after the 4th. and I see no mention of adding routes.
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?
Now the new and "improved" contract says UPS doesn't have to worry about a review after 3 violations only after the 4th. and I see no mention of adding routes.
WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?
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