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DriveInDriѵeOut
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First you claimed the deal fell through because he didn't want a union. It didn't.
Then you claimed he didn't like the terms of the deal. He did, he accepted them, and announced they would locate there.
Then you claimed radical Democrats didn't destroy the deal, Amazon "ran itself off". You repeatedly dodged explaining how.
Then you claimed he was "blackmailing" them. He wasn't, they were begging him to come there.
Then you said the deal fell through because radical Democrats didn't like the subsidies. Really came full circle there, that's my original point that you tried to disagree with LMAO.
And now of course, you've finally gotten to the true cause of your ramblings. Classic Marxist class warfare: Bezos rich, rich man bad.
SMH
So by your estimation 25,000 high paying jobs that benefit the local economy are no big deal? Amazing how all those cities vying for that headquarters didn't feel the same.
I have a pension. You don't. Deal with it. And I live rent and utilities free at my dad's. My sister loaned me a car she wasn't using. 2014 Ford Fusion. I just pay gas and oil changes. She covers insurance. In return I pick up my niece from school. When my dad passes I'm heading overseas. Might be a couple of years, might be 5. Hardly poor. Hardly destitute. You on the other hand just don't seem happy. Not rich enough? You seem awfully worried about who has what. Must be tough on you. There there.
I have a pension. You don't. Deal with it. And I live rent and utilities free at my dad's. My sister loaned me a car she wasn't using. 2014 Ford Fusion. I just pay gas and oil changes. She covers insurance. In return I pick up my niece from school. When my dad passes I'm heading overseas. Might be a couple of years, might be 5. Hardly poor. Hardly destitute. You on the other hand just don't seem happy. Not rich enough? You seem awfully worried about who has what. Must be tough on you. There there.
You still won't answer the question. WHY did the richest man on the planet need public assistance in building his building.? Putting the city and state's credit rating on the line for the richest man in the world? A single level lower in it's bond rating would cost the city and state far more in debt service and interest payments than Bezos could even begin to offset .and wasn't about to run the risk of higher borrowing costs just so that Bezos didn't have to Obviously you never thought about that. So again it comes to the question: 25,000 jobs in a city of 8,400,000 people. So what's in it for the other 8,375,000?Divorcing his wife just so that he could marry his long time gold digging mistress might have made securing his own conventional financing to put up the building himself a bit less easy but still plenty available..... After the Foxcomm in Wisconsin and Trump Casino debacles in New Jersey, the city and state of New York had every right and legal obligation to place safeguards in place to protect the public interest.
And another thing you're overlooking. Bezos could have just as easily raised the money through a secondary stock offering.
So you tell me....Why didn't he do it?
My issue is with the blatant hypocrisy on the part of people like you. You continue to bash and demonize the Democrats for having the foresight to pass the social program legislation while spending every waking moment figuring out a way to cash in on them. All the time preaching the virtues of conservatism while never answering the question of what would you have done if as is your case a medical emergency that legislation had never been passed in the first place? What would your fellow loyal Republicans have done to help you with your medical emergency if that legislation had failed in congress? How many of those people showed up at your bedside when you were laying there fighting for survival? How many stepped up and offered to pay your medical bills?
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
Public assistance... you mean the tax incentives that mainstream Democrats were begging him to take?
Who said he needed it?
No one.
You're just deflecting with a straw man fallacy.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
Trump owns your mind.
Get a grip.
yadig
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Have you been keeping up with the hunter biden scandal, Hillary’s lawyer creating a fake Russian collusion? I guess that’s fake news. Talk about hypocrisy! I guess only government has all the answers, jobs, and healthcare. It didn’t work so good for Venezuela, etc…..
If you don't believe in those programs ....you don't HAVE to enroll for benefits. So you want to eliminate them? Ok. So where do you want to start? Social Security? Medicare? The lowest cost insurer in the country. How about school lunch programs? Veterans benefits? Why not the USDA food safety and inspection program?
So let's do it your way. Buy a house 20% down. Buy a new car 20% down. Ambulance hauls you into the hospital and they tell you...."Ok, your appendix has ruptured and you need immediate emergency surgery. Because of your complications the estimated cost for saving your life is $150,000. We require 20% down in the form of a certified check by 3PM or you'll be discharged" Is this how you want it?
While we're at it why not eliminate public support for education? Everything then becomes private. You take your 3 kids to a private for profit Betsy DeVos type operation because that's all that's left available. You take them inside and they tell you..."our tuition is $60,000 a year per student 100% percent prepaid at the beginning of the school term.
Is this the alternative nation you want?
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So he didn't need it in the first place? I see. That's what I've been saying all along. Thank you for agreeing with me. So then the people you are condemning saw that as well and therefore only offered him a highly conditional set of what do you call it...."incentives"? So what's your complaint.? New York smartly refused to place the city and state's bond rating at risk just to help a guy you have finally admitted.... didn't need it after all .
How many step up and show up for anyone? That's silly. And I don't bash and demonize. YOU say that I do. Geez it's like you live in an alternative reality. And what would I have done? I would've sent them a little bit of money each month. Or declared bankruptcy which I don't want to do.
DriveInDriѵeOut
Inordinately Right
No it isn't, you switched your argument, for the 7th time, to that about an hour ago.
Why are you lying and saying that was your argument from the start?
Literally no one ever said he needed it.
LMFAO you're allergic to admitting you're wrong.
yadig
Well-Known Member
Calm down! You go to the extreme every time. Those programs you keep referencing are paid for by taxes. I wonder how you feel bout illegals receiving them? Is that good for them program’s? I’m forced to pay into them so your damn right I’m gonna take them when I retire. Try again
Don't you understand? He didn't accept their offer. BTW What is the name of the bond ratings agency you work for ? Moody's? S&P Global? Fitch Group? Even if they had stupidly given in to him court challenges would tied things up for years. And those claims of economic benefit are always wildly exaggerated in an effort to bring pressure on public officials to give into the attempts by developers to literally extort public concessions .
Here's a good example. New York taxpayers have to hoark up an 850 million dollar 30 year bond issue to build a new stadium for the Buffalo Bills. Imagine the debt service on that bond. Right now the Bills are doing good but I've been to Bills games during the losing years where tickets were going for next to nothing and the crowds were so sparse that they had to pipe in crowd noise just to make it sound like somebody was actually there. And that's the point. Making expensive public commitments in the face of a wild and rapidly changing global economy limits what the public sector can do to assist.
The public sector has to learn to resist efforts on the part of private developers to privatize the profits but publicize the losses.
As I recall Bezos was going to build in NYC but the political noise made by some, particularly AOC, made him decide it wasn't worth it. A lot of people in NYC were very upset about losing that headquarters. It wasn't that NYC changed the deal in their favor so he backed out.
Oh so now that you've been handed a couple of very plausible scenarios of what life would be like in a highly conservative American society you suddenly have misgivings and second thoughts regarding your hard right ideology. Oh BTW there is a group of Ukrainian refugees about to enter the US through our borders including the southern point of entry. What do you think we should do with them? send them back to Ukraine ?
yadig
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Yes
Big difference between wartime refugees being admitted legally and economic refugees breaking our laws and being abetted by our own government.
Bezos was going to build in NYC provided that he got everything his own way,. Something NOBODY gets in NYC. While he was mighty Jeff Bezos down in Texas but in NYC he was just another person. Then again his plan would have required the relocation of neighborhoods that had been there long before Jeff Bezos arrived and the people who, lived there were afraid and with good reason that housing costs which is a crisis just about everywhere today would rise to a level beyond their means. They were not about to simply get out of Jeff Bezos way just because Jeff Bezos said so. After all you've used the need for lower housing costs as one of the primary reasons for going to live in a tent in Lower Slobovia.
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