Anyone else see the message from Sean O'brien?

[Coldworld]

Black Friday is a done deal. The best that we can hope for is an additional option and/or sick day.

The alternate work week is also a done deal. Yes, working on Sunday and/or a non-consecutive work week would suck, but we have to adapt in order to remain competitive.

1/52 vacation pay is also a done deal. Most of us get anywhere from 45 to as much as 50 hours on our vacation checks.


You fools that want a strike clearly have no idea what you would be getting yourselves in to.

Nobody wants a strike but the company isn’t going to walk all over us to give that shareholder an extra .50 worth of dividend....and most of what you said is horse sht dave, except for the first thing.... feeder has m-friend, s-th, and t-sat runs and we all have two consecutive days off... it’s not that hard to do....

 

[brown_trousers]

1/52 means they take what you made for the year and divided by 52. That number is what you get for a vacation check. Some areas get 45 hours straight time.

That is very much a regional issue. We dont all have a 1/52 rule. There is no way ill support a national strike for a regional issue.

 

[Coldworld]

1/52 means they take what you made for the year and divided by 52. That number is what you get for a vacation check. Some areas get 45 hours straight time.

Which is a pay cut for the week... no wonder guys are working through their vacations...

 

[Back first]

Ok so what’s keeping you from that?

Dude are you rven at top rate?

 

[Coldworld]

Shouldn’t we count the votes

Before we say it’s a done deal?

Dave has to be this guy...

he’s done it the Last few contracts and has been wrong 98% of the time....

 

[Coldworld]

I'm ok with 7 day delivery. Would strike over non-consecutive days off. Scheduling headaches are a part of why management makes the big bucks.

They make their own headaches.... they have no problem busting out 3 routes 10 minutes before start time but you need to give them a damn week for an 8 hour request.... totally bogus ....

 

[babboo25]

Dude are you rven at top rate?

Have been for 18 years, duuudddee

 

[eats packages]

Not going to lie, with the way things have been going, I would trade all of these for a good DOL, EDD, Orion implementation.

 

[East coast navy]

The diehard strike baiters should put themselves in other people’s shoes. Look at things as if they were one of the bottom 5 in seniority. I need to work and won’t be on the picket line for more than 1 day.

Disagree!

 

[East coast navy]

You yes strike guys should go out and look for a job that pays $36hr without a degree. Let us know what you find.

You want to be forced to work six days a week... WTF!

 

[East coast navy]

Nobody wants a strike but the company isn’t going to walk all over us to give that shareholder an extra .50 worth of dividend....and most of what you said is horse sht dave, except for the first thing.... feeder has m-friend, s-th, and t-sat runs and we all have two consecutive days off... it’s not that hard to do....

Do you think it’s ok the company wants you to work six days straight with sunday as straight time because that’s what they are asking for...

 

[Boston25]

Im gonna be honest. This almost looks like a win to me. I would completely support considering that list of concessions, in trade for other areas we want improvements in.

How does that seem like a win to you?

 

[Boston25]

I think it is ridiculous for anyone to agree with any of these concessions. The company is making money over fist. And these proposals are showing you that they do not give a about any of us. If this is how the company is willing to negotiate then I'm willing to walk out.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

I sold my vacations this year and have been saving. Cut down 401k and everything. I want a strike.

For what reason ... just so you can earn your strike stripes?
Too bad you weren't here for 1997.
The sad truth is no one wins in a strike.
1997 did get 22.3 jobs which can be a last mile to retirement for older drivers that cannot get it up anymore (i.e. @Turdferguson) but not much else.
There is fools gold at the end of that strike rainbow.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I'm all for UPS making profits hand over fist, and I understand UPS has to adapt to the times. But seriously you don't want your employees that you make that profit from to get a full two days rest? I'd be ok with a strike on this issue alone, absolutely ridiculous. They can figure out staffing for a full seven day week and still give every employee two days off.

 

[Turdferguson]

For what reason ... just so you can earn your strike stripes?
Too bad you weren't here for 1997.
The sad truth is no one wins in a strike.
1997 did get 22.3 jobs which can be a last mile to retirement for older drivers that cannot get it up anymore (i.e. @Turdferguson) but not much else.
There is fools gold at the end of that strike rainbow.

Wrong. I am 22.2 punk. My job was created before 1979.

 

[wide load]

I sold my vacations this year and have been saving. Cut down 401k and everything. I want a strike.

I took my vacations weeks ending:
8-4
8-11
8-18
8-25
9-1
9-8

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Wrong. I am 22.2 punk. My job was created before 1979.
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Still can't get it up!

 

[brown_trousers]

How does that seem like a win to you?

Its how negotiating works. You put things on the table you're willing to trade with. These are issues that i would be willing to trade for better harrassment language, reduced workload, not preloading down the center aisle of my truck, etc...

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

What does Eliminate 1/52 vacation earnings mean?

Currently vacations in Local 25 are paid based on your average weekly wage rather than a fixed number of hours, usually 45 or 50. 1/52 normally works out better, especially if you work OT.