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Babagounj
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Mich. AG backs AZ in border law fight
Kathy Barks Hoffman
LANSING, Mich. – Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox plans to file a legal brief supporting Arizona’s immigration law and sent a letter Monday asking other state attorneys general to join him.
Cox, one of five Republicans running for Michigan governor, said in the letter that the U.S. Justice Department’s legal challenge to the Arizona law – SB 1070 – “seeks to remove the power of the states” to enforce their own immigration statutes along with federal immigration laws.
He also argues that under the federal government’s approach, “there is no cooperative effort on immigration but only a one-way street where states lose control over their borders and are left to guess at the reality of the law.”
Kathy Barks Hoffman
LANSING, Mich. – Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox plans to file a legal brief supporting Arizona’s immigration law and sent a letter Monday asking other state attorneys general to join him.
Cox, one of five Republicans running for Michigan governor, said in the letter that the U.S. Justice Department’s legal challenge to the Arizona law – SB 1070 – “seeks to remove the power of the states” to enforce their own immigration statutes along with federal immigration laws.
He also argues that under the federal government’s approach, “there is no cooperative effort on immigration but only a one-way street where states lose control over their borders and are left to guess at the reality of the law.”
trplnkl
555
[FONT="]I did give you a proper opinion to the video; it is off topic with SB1070 or illegal immigration. In case you didn’t notice the victim was Anglo and according to you Anglos are not affected by SB1070. [/FONT]
[FONT="]My reply to your video has nothing to do with my thoughts on police or their training. Try to keep up. Also, I have never Arpaio has nothing to do with the subject of SB1070 or the video, he clearly does. However the video and SB1070 are unrelated otherwise. Two different issues.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Your link was pretty worthless to me.[/FONT] I pressed one for English.
[FONT="] I saw the(LaRaza) video the first time on CBS news, that’s how I knew it existed. According to them it was taken at the rally that was well documented. [/FONT]
[FONT="] I’m not paranoid at all, I am cautious and observant. My belief of a possible revolution by LaRaza or any other organization is irrelevant as well as unfounded.[/FONT]
[FONT="] Your belief of the validity of the video or even the existence of LaRaza is irrelevant. Regardless of the source of the video, it clearly shows a large group of people listening to and cheering a hate filled speech promoting revolution against white America, given in a very public place. That was the point of it being posted. It is pretty simple that Fitton’s claim, fact or opinion, doesn’t incite violence. [/FONT]
[FONT="] La Raza translates to “The Race”, by your own admission you have no knowledge what La Raza means or how it is used, other than the translation.[/FONT]
You’re too funny, do you really want to address “childish” debating?
Links:
http://www.nclr.org/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=153
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm
KingofBrown
Well-Known Member
[FONT="]I did give you a proper opinion to the video; it is off topic with SB1070 or illegal immigration. In case you didn’t notice the victim was Anglo and according to you Anglos are not affected by SB1070. [/FONT]
[FONT="]My reply to your video has nothing to do with my thoughts on police or their training. Try to keep up. Also, I have never ? Arpaio has nothing to do with the subject of SB1070 or the video, he clearly does. However the video and SB1070 are unrelated otherwise. Two different issues.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The law is so radical, that it can affect anyone the police wants to, if someone doesn’t show a Driver License or the other types of ID, the officer can arrest him/her if the officer wants to. I have mentioned it several times that it incites racial profiling, and that it lets an officer to act as open as he wants to. And, with all these civil rights suits in Arizona by mostly Hispanics and by the language of the law, I do believe SB1070 targets Hispanic people. But, I have also mentioned that this law could affect you or anyone (it doesn’t matter the color) sooner or later, I don’t know if you can remember that, do you? SB1070 gives too much power to the police, and don’t ask me how, because I’ve cited it and gave my opinion on how it can, but it seems you keep ignoring those aspects. And now that you watched the video, do you really think that the terms of a law don’t need to be articulated because we should trust in the training of our officers? Cool, Cowboy. What a great reassurance. If you think SB1070 is unrelated to this video, I’ll just tell you: This video shows an Arizona self-claimed “toughest Sheriff,” in favor and even promoter of SB1070, and a Sheriff that will use SB1070 if it goes in effect on July 29. Now, if the video is unrelated to SB1070, I wonder how.[/FONT]
[FONT="]However the video and SB1070 are unrelated otherwise. Two different issues.[/FONT]
You should pay more attention to what’s around you; and not by watching too many Che Guevara tales.
[FONT="]Your link was pretty worthless to me.[/FONT][FONT="]As it was to me, Cowboy. Thanks for finally posting the one you were claiming. I was sure the one you were talking about was not a Newspaper. [/FONT]I pressed one for English.[FONT="] LOL. I saw that joke on YouTube from George Lopez. I guess I could call you Cowboy Lopez, but that last name will get you stirr up. Lets leave it at Cowboy.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I saw the(LaRaza) video the first time on CBS news, that’s how I knew it existed. According to them it was taken at the rally that was well documented. [FONT="]I guess CBS can’t never have a mistake, then; I’d like to hear what they talked about the video and who they said was involved in this video.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]I’m not paranoid at all, I am cautious and observant. [FONT="]You cry too much with your not well documented videos of La Raza, and you don’t care about Rusell Pearce’s being in a rally with white supremacy Nazi groups, taking pictures with them, even hugging them, and sending white supremacist e-mails; about Arpaio’s Civil Rights sues; about Kris Kobach links with FAIR, a hate group; and all of those are political figures that are involved directly with SB1070. I don’t know how cautious and observant you are.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]My belief of a possible revolution by LaRaza or any other organization is irrelevant as well as unfounded. [FONT="]It is, Cowboy, I’m glad you think that that belief you got is ridiculous. And I think that believing a revolution by La Raza or any other organization of this kind is absurd; and the words by Mr. Teacher are insignificant to believe that there’s a dangerous situation. But, I wonder why you keep believing that’s a volatile situation.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]Your belief of the validity of the video or even the existence of LaRaza is irrelevant.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I still haven’t seen in the video that NCLR supports this guy. Now I’m not saying that they support him or not, but it’s something that we can’t watch on this video. It’d be nice if you can give official explained resources and facts that validate your claims that NCLR supports this Hugo Chavez “wannabe.” I never said that there’s no group named La Raza, don’t try to mix things up. I wanted to know more about it, and thanks for posting that link about them, so we don’t get confused on what group we’re talking about. I’m reading about them, and I don’t see them as a Hate Group like FAIR that really has something to do with SB1070. On the contrary, I see NCLR as a well respected established organization. It’d be nice if you could give official facts to say that NCLR is like FAIR. And it seems that the only founded link you posted is the nclr.org; the second and third are like unfounded political opinions of NCLR and propaganda; one is named Human Events “Leading Conservative Media Since 1944.” And the other is discoverthenetwork.org “A guide to the Political Left.” Are these the things you read? Come on, Cowboy! And the third one is prisonplanet.com and talks about a divided ethnicity because of gangs, and it’s a site that references that Bush was behind 9/11. I didn’t investigate further, but it’d be interesting. Come on Cowboy! You’re going too far. What’s happenning to you?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Regardless of the source of the video, it clearly shows a large group of people listening to and cheering a hate filled speech promoting revolution against white America, given in a very public place. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I count 8 to 10 people, there. And I don’t hear too many chanting. Several of the girls are like not taking this guy seriously. And it seems that he took his own buddies to chant him when he yelled Viva Fidel. But, I can’t see if La Raza you’re talking about is supporting this. They might have, or they might have not; there are no sources in this specific video to assure, as you claim, that this guy is from NLCR, or that he’s stating the views of NCLR.[/FONT]
[FONT="]That was the point of it being posted. It is pretty simple that Fitton’s claim, fact or opinion, doesn’t incite violence.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Did I say he incites violence? Although English is your only language I advice you to look for the word “Agitate” in a dictionary. As I have said it before: I believe Mr. Fitton’s words are to agitate people, like the propaganda from many entities (listen, many, not all) in support of this law. And if you go by common sense, as you claim you do, do you think I’m saying Fitton incites violence? LOL, may be you think he does. Some entities in favor of the law, like The Minutemen, do and act violent. And I haven’t seen any evidence that NLCR does incite violence, as you claim you do.[/FONT]
[FONT="]My reply to your video has nothing to do with my thoughts on police or their training. Try to keep up. Also, I have never ? Arpaio has nothing to do with the subject of SB1070 or the video, he clearly does. However the video and SB1070 are unrelated otherwise. Two different issues.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The law is so radical, that it can affect anyone the police wants to, if someone doesn’t show a Driver License or the other types of ID, the officer can arrest him/her if the officer wants to. I have mentioned it several times that it incites racial profiling, and that it lets an officer to act as open as he wants to. And, with all these civil rights suits in Arizona by mostly Hispanics and by the language of the law, I do believe SB1070 targets Hispanic people. But, I have also mentioned that this law could affect you or anyone (it doesn’t matter the color) sooner or later, I don’t know if you can remember that, do you? SB1070 gives too much power to the police, and don’t ask me how, because I’ve cited it and gave my opinion on how it can, but it seems you keep ignoring those aspects. And now that you watched the video, do you really think that the terms of a law don’t need to be articulated because we should trust in the training of our officers? Cool, Cowboy. What a great reassurance. If you think SB1070 is unrelated to this video, I’ll just tell you: This video shows an Arizona self-claimed “toughest Sheriff,” in favor and even promoter of SB1070, and a Sheriff that will use SB1070 if it goes in effect on July 29. Now, if the video is unrelated to SB1070, I wonder how.[/FONT]
[FONT="]However the video and SB1070 are unrelated otherwise. Two different issues.[/FONT]
You should pay more attention to what’s around you; and not by watching too many Che Guevara tales.
[FONT="]Your link was pretty worthless to me.[/FONT][FONT="]As it was to me, Cowboy. Thanks for finally posting the one you were claiming. I was sure the one you were talking about was not a Newspaper. [/FONT]I pressed one for English.[FONT="] LOL. I saw that joke on YouTube from George Lopez. I guess I could call you Cowboy Lopez, but that last name will get you stirr up. Lets leave it at Cowboy.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I saw the(LaRaza) video the first time on CBS news, that’s how I knew it existed. According to them it was taken at the rally that was well documented. [FONT="]I guess CBS can’t never have a mistake, then; I’d like to hear what they talked about the video and who they said was involved in this video.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]I’m not paranoid at all, I am cautious and observant. [FONT="]You cry too much with your not well documented videos of La Raza, and you don’t care about Rusell Pearce’s being in a rally with white supremacy Nazi groups, taking pictures with them, even hugging them, and sending white supremacist e-mails; about Arpaio’s Civil Rights sues; about Kris Kobach links with FAIR, a hate group; and all of those are political figures that are involved directly with SB1070. I don’t know how cautious and observant you are.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]My belief of a possible revolution by LaRaza or any other organization is irrelevant as well as unfounded. [FONT="]It is, Cowboy, I’m glad you think that that belief you got is ridiculous. And I think that believing a revolution by La Raza or any other organization of this kind is absurd; and the words by Mr. Teacher are insignificant to believe that there’s a dangerous situation. But, I wonder why you keep believing that’s a volatile situation.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT="]Your belief of the validity of the video or even the existence of LaRaza is irrelevant.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I still haven’t seen in the video that NCLR supports this guy. Now I’m not saying that they support him or not, but it’s something that we can’t watch on this video. It’d be nice if you can give official explained resources and facts that validate your claims that NCLR supports this Hugo Chavez “wannabe.” I never said that there’s no group named La Raza, don’t try to mix things up. I wanted to know more about it, and thanks for posting that link about them, so we don’t get confused on what group we’re talking about. I’m reading about them, and I don’t see them as a Hate Group like FAIR that really has something to do with SB1070. On the contrary, I see NCLR as a well respected established organization. It’d be nice if you could give official facts to say that NCLR is like FAIR. And it seems that the only founded link you posted is the nclr.org; the second and third are like unfounded political opinions of NCLR and propaganda; one is named Human Events “Leading Conservative Media Since 1944.” And the other is discoverthenetwork.org “A guide to the Political Left.” Are these the things you read? Come on, Cowboy! And the third one is prisonplanet.com and talks about a divided ethnicity because of gangs, and it’s a site that references that Bush was behind 9/11. I didn’t investigate further, but it’d be interesting. Come on Cowboy! You’re going too far. What’s happenning to you?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Regardless of the source of the video, it clearly shows a large group of people listening to and cheering a hate filled speech promoting revolution against white America, given in a very public place. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I count 8 to 10 people, there. And I don’t hear too many chanting. Several of the girls are like not taking this guy seriously. And it seems that he took his own buddies to chant him when he yelled Viva Fidel. But, I can’t see if La Raza you’re talking about is supporting this. They might have, or they might have not; there are no sources in this specific video to assure, as you claim, that this guy is from NLCR, or that he’s stating the views of NCLR.[/FONT]
[FONT="]That was the point of it being posted. It is pretty simple that Fitton’s claim, fact or opinion, doesn’t incite violence.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Did I say he incites violence? Although English is your only language I advice you to look for the word “Agitate” in a dictionary. As I have said it before: I believe Mr. Fitton’s words are to agitate people, like the propaganda from many entities (listen, many, not all) in support of this law. And if you go by common sense, as you claim you do, do you think I’m saying Fitton incites violence? LOL, may be you think he does. Some entities in favor of the law, like The Minutemen, do and act violent. And I haven’t seen any evidence that NLCR does incite violence, as you claim you do.[/FONT]
moreluck
golden ticket member
Yeah, let's just give them all amnesty....NOT!!!!!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/1...old-texas-girl-july-th-party/?test=latestnews
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/1...old-texas-girl-july-th-party/?test=latestnews
KingofBrown
Well-Known Member
[FONT="]Now, this is outrageous, you want to give me Spanish Lessons. It wouldn’t be a problem for me, but you already said that English is your only language. Then, how do you think you’re more familiarized than me with the term “La Raza”? But, please feel free to say what made you say such an absurd comment.[/FONT]
klein
Für Meno :)
See, that's a typical example how the press creates hatrage.
I seen it in the German press growing up myself.
If an American soldier rapes a german girl, it's page 1 front news story.
A foreigner such as a Turkish guy, it might make page 2 or 3.
A german raping a german might make a small article if any.
And we all know there are hundreds of thousands of rapes in the US , everyday.
But, only those "worth" reporting make the news.
trplnkl
555
Now, now calm down. I was not giving you spanish lessons. I was just letting you know that I am aware of what the translation is.
KingofBrown
Well-Known Member
Do you understand that term? "La Raza." Not just the translation, I'm talking about the term.
KingofBrown
Well-Known Member
Lue C Fur
Evil member
KingofBrown
Well-Known Member
Alright, Cowboy, since you didn’t give any official resources, I’ll give you facts. The name of this guy Mr. Teacher from the video is Ron Gochez. Some claim he’s a teacher from UCLA; others claim he’s a high school teacher. The ones who claim he’s a high school teacher are right. If I’m not wrong he’s a SanteeHigh School teacher. By his own words on the video he says he’s a militant of “Union del Barrio,” which is translated to something like “The Ghetto United” or “The Ghetto’s Union” or “The Union of the Ghetto.” To me it sounds like a gang, but if it’s an organization, it’s not that credible, if their views are like the ones this guy stated on this video. At the beginning of the video it says “Rally at UCLA, in Defense of La Raza!!!!” Now, Cowboy, not even the video states that this is supported by NCLR, just because it says “La Raza” that doesn’t make it NCLR to have the same views as this guy. The term “La Raza” is not a racist remark. If you investigate further and google it or ask any Hispanic friends, if you have any, they’ll explain that to you. Here’s a link from Wikipedia so you can read more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day
If you can understand what’s in there, and if you got any Hispanic friends who can explain it to you, you’ll see that this is not as a segregated “race” word, as it seems you think. It’s not like saying “The Whites” or “The Blacks” or “The Browns” which would be racial remarks. May be Ron Gochez, gangs, and you, had misused the term “La Raza.” But, don’t think that the National Council of La Raza is a racist organization because it cites the terms “La Raza.” As a Spanish speaker, I can tell you that “La Raza” is mostly used as “The People,” any people. It doesn’t reference any particular group of race. When Ron Gochez said “Viva La Raza” at the end of the video, he never cited NCLR. He would be translated as saying: “Long Live the People.” Now, if you’re taking it from this guy, anyone would know that he’s just citing his supporters. If you’re taking it from a gang, anyone would know that the gang is citing its members. If NCLR says “Viva La Raza” they’re saying “Long Live the People.” And as I have read, NCLR is a well established organization, so anyone would know that they’re citing The People, any people. I won’t say all the people, because I don’t think they would be citing Rusell Pearce or Tom Tancredo or Anna Gaines. The term “La Raza” is not a matter of color, race or preference.
Now, I hope it’s clear for you to understand the term “La Raza.” With these factual resources I gave you, now, I’ll ask you once again to give factual sources of the involvement of Ron Gochez in NCLR. And to give factual resources to say NCLR is like FAIR, or a hate group.
On the other hand, Texan, I see Mr. Gochez to be more on your side. He’s more against the Feds than the Minutemen. Yes, than the minute man, the ones who confuse wild pigs with illegal immigrants. So I think that teacher is more to your side against the current Federal government. Heck I think he’d join you and your buddies on your battle against Obama.
By the way, we’re giving more debate to this teacher than to Rusell Pearce, Arpaio, and Kris Kobach, who really have some direct relationship with SB1070. And that history teacher, I think, hasn’t even read the law. Now, I gave you my opinion about this guy Gochez, what do you think of Rusell Pearce, a top political official, and his involvement with Nazi groups? I guess, nothing, as you said, you don’t give a shoot as to whom wrote the law.
If you can understand what’s in there, and if you got any Hispanic friends who can explain it to you, you’ll see that this is not as a segregated “race” word, as it seems you think. It’s not like saying “The Whites” or “The Blacks” or “The Browns” which would be racial remarks. May be Ron Gochez, gangs, and you, had misused the term “La Raza.” But, don’t think that the National Council of La Raza is a racist organization because it cites the terms “La Raza.” As a Spanish speaker, I can tell you that “La Raza” is mostly used as “The People,” any people. It doesn’t reference any particular group of race. When Ron Gochez said “Viva La Raza” at the end of the video, he never cited NCLR. He would be translated as saying: “Long Live the People.” Now, if you’re taking it from this guy, anyone would know that he’s just citing his supporters. If you’re taking it from a gang, anyone would know that the gang is citing its members. If NCLR says “Viva La Raza” they’re saying “Long Live the People.” And as I have read, NCLR is a well established organization, so anyone would know that they’re citing The People, any people. I won’t say all the people, because I don’t think they would be citing Rusell Pearce or Tom Tancredo or Anna Gaines. The term “La Raza” is not a matter of color, race or preference.
Now, I hope it’s clear for you to understand the term “La Raza.” With these factual resources I gave you, now, I’ll ask you once again to give factual sources of the involvement of Ron Gochez in NCLR. And to give factual resources to say NCLR is like FAIR, or a hate group.
On the other hand, Texan, I see Mr. Gochez to be more on your side. He’s more against the Feds than the Minutemen. Yes, than the minute man, the ones who confuse wild pigs with illegal immigrants. So I think that teacher is more to your side against the current Federal government. Heck I think he’d join you and your buddies on your battle against Obama.
By the way, we’re giving more debate to this teacher than to Rusell Pearce, Arpaio, and Kris Kobach, who really have some direct relationship with SB1070. And that history teacher, I think, hasn’t even read the law. Now, I gave you my opinion about this guy Gochez, what do you think of Rusell Pearce, a top political official, and his involvement with Nazi groups? I guess, nothing, as you said, you don’t give a shoot as to whom wrote the law.
trplnkl
555
[FONT="]WOW,it seems you’ve gotten your panties in a wad there big boy? [/FONT]
[FONT="]I don’t see how it incites racial profiling when everyone is at risk as you said. The officers will have guide lines to go by, if the use them properly or not we will see.[/FONT]
[FONT="]No, I don’t remember you saying, “But, I have also mentioned that this law could affect you or anyone (it doesn’t matter the color) sooner or later, I don’t know if you can remember that, do you?”. Would care to find that statement and repost it? I’m pretty sure if you would have said that, I would countered with something along the lines of, “ If it doesn’t matter the color, it isn’t profiling.”.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Actually I think the incident in the video should be fully investigated by the FBI and appropriate actions taken. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The simple logic is that the incident in the video you posted had nothing to do with SB1070, the law has not even gone into effect at this time, much less at the time the incident happened. How can that be so hard to follow?[/FONT]
[FONT="]No further comment warranted. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I guess CBS can’t never have a mistake, then; I’d like to hear what they talked about the video and who they said was involved in this video.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I can only paraphrase the commentary and it has been a while. They said that the video was from a La Raza rally on the UCLA campus and the man speaking was a La Raza representative. Do you have anything that says different? [/FONT]
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[FONT="]You seem to be trying very hard to twist a lot of the issues here. The comparison I was making was about you calling someone an agitator, yet you refuse to see the other side of the coin when someone is speaking of violence. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Obviously I am much more observant than you, at least I know who LaRaza is.[/FONT]
[FONT="]You can also either accept the sources I provided or not, that is up to you. However to answer your question, no these are not sites I usually read. I did a simple google search of the words La Raza and these were on the first page of results. There were some that were in Spanish but I didn’t post them for the obvious reason. I didn’t even read them in any detail.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I don’t know where you live, but I am pretty sure it isn’t in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona or you would be well acquainted with the ways of La Raza.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Wait, first you say SB1070 is racist now you say it can affect anyone the police chooses. Make up your mind, can’t have it both ways.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I don’t see how it incites racial profiling when everyone is at risk as you said. The officers will have guide lines to go by, if the use them properly or not we will see.[/FONT]
[FONT="]No, I don’t remember you saying, “But, I have also mentioned that this law could affect you or anyone (it doesn’t matter the color) sooner or later, I don’t know if you can remember that, do you?”. Would care to find that statement and repost it? I’m pretty sure if you would have said that, I would countered with something along the lines of, “ If it doesn’t matter the color, it isn’t profiling.”.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Actually I think the incident in the video should be fully investigated by the FBI and appropriate actions taken. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The simple logic is that the incident in the video you posted had nothing to do with SB1070, the law has not even gone into effect at this time, much less at the time the incident happened. How can that be so hard to follow?[/FONT]
[FONT="]No further comment warranted. [/FONT]
[FONT="]No further comment warranted. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I guess CBS can’t never have a mistake, then; I’d like to hear what they talked about the video and who they said was involved in this video.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I can only paraphrase the commentary and it has been a while. They said that the video was from a La Raza rally on the UCLA campus and the man speaking was a La Raza representative. Do you have anything that says different? [/FONT]
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[FONT="]I never said I did not care about Pearce’s being at a white supremacy rally, I never said I did not care about Arpaio’s civil rights suits or Kobach’s links with FAIR. Nope, never said that.[/FONT]
[FONT="]You seem to be trying very hard to twist a lot of the issues here. The comparison I was making was about you calling someone an agitator, yet you refuse to see the other side of the coin when someone is speaking of violence. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Obviously I am much more observant than you, at least I know who LaRaza is.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Maybe you need to take another English class. I did not say that I believed there is a revolution coming. I said that LaRaza was inciting violence with hate speech .Call it paranoia if you want, I can assure you I’m not cowering in the corner with fear. If you don’t see how that kind of speech can become volatile, you need to pull you head out.[/FONT]
[FONT="] Well since the camera stayed mostly on the speaker, it would be hard to tell just how many people were there. The sound of the crowd sounded like many more than 8 or 10 people. I really doubt the video would have made the evening news with only a handful of attendees. You can take what you want from the video[/FONT].
[FONT="]You can also either accept the sources I provided or not, that is up to you. However to answer your question, no these are not sites I usually read. I did a simple google search of the words La Raza and these were on the first page of results. There were some that were in Spanish but I didn’t post them for the obvious reason. I didn’t even read them in any detail.[/FONT]
[FONT="]I don’t know where you live, but I am pretty sure it isn’t in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona or you would be well acquainted with the ways of La Raza.[/FONT]
trplnkl
555
Actually the "term" can be applied in many different ways, some of which may have nothing to do with the literal translation.
We are spending way too much time talking about a video that was used to show a contrast in what you think is important. I have no further interest in that video or in La Raza or in Fitton vs. Evans as it is a waste of my time.
Actually, I'm sorry I showed how biased you are as it really makes little to no difference in the grand scheme of things.
