Arizona's anti-imigration law...

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
[FONT=&quot]WOW,it seems you’ve gotten your panties in a wad there big boy?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]LOL. Why, did you get one on your diapers or what?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Wait, first you say SB1070 is racist now you say it can affect anyone the police chooses. [FONT=&quot]LOL, you're twisting things up. I said an officer can act as open as he/she wishes or wants to. If the officer can act however he/she wants and he/she is targetting illegals in AZ, then he/she’s able to racial profile. Come on, Cowboy, think a little bit, I’ve already told you that thinking a little bit is not a cause of hair loss.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Make up your mind, can’t have it both ways. [FONT=&quot]Yes, Cowboy, I’ll make you have it both ways, I’ll explain that to you. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]I don’t see how it incites racial profiling when everyone is at risk as you said. The officers will have guide lines to go by, if the use them properly or not we will see.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Blah, blah, blah. Again your trust in the officers and their training makes you think that a law doesn’t need to articulate its terms. LMAO. It seems all you have to do is to ignore the video I posted.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]No, I don’t remember you saying, “But, I have also mentioned that this law could affect you or anyone (it doesn’t matter the color) sooner or later, I don’t know if you can remember that, do you?”.[FONT=&quot]Yes, and so you should remember my explanation about that. If you remember where you said that, you’ll find my post, too. Go ahead.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Would care to find that statement and repost it? I’m pretty sure if you would have said that, I would countered with something along the lines of, “ If it doesn’t matter the color, it isn’t profiling.”. [FONT=&quot]Never said it in your terms, go ahead and find that post. And if you decide to go back a few pages go find the posts where I have cited the law and finally debate on the other aspects.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Actually I think the incident in the video should be fully investigated by the FBI and appropriate actions taken. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The simple logic is that the incident in the video you posted had nothing to do with SB1070, the law has not even gone into effect at this time, much less at the time the incident happened. How can that be so hard to follow?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And what do you think, after all the testimonies, when Arpaio said it was an accident?[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]I can only paraphrase the commentary and it has been a while. They said that the video was from a La Raza rally on the UCLA campus and the man speaking was a La Raza representative. Do you have anything that says different?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Is it that hard for you to present facts? Next time you place a video, and you claim something about it, I advice you to present facts. I guess I already answered this comment on another post giving you a little bit of facts.[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]I never said I did not care about Pearce’s being at a white supremacy rally, I never said I did not care about Arpaio’s civil rights suits or Kobach’s links with FAIR. Nope, never said that.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You seem to be trying very hard to twist a lot of the issues here. The comparison I was making was about you calling someone an agitator, yet you refuse to see the other side of the coin when someone is speaking of violence. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Obviously I am much more observant than you, at least I know who LaRaza is.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]LOL. You didn’t even know who Rusell Pearce was. LOL. And you said you didn’t care who Rusell Pearce was, and so you didn’t even wanted to talk about him when you saw the facts of the white supremacy links he has. I’m still waiting for the sources that will back you up to say NCLR is an agitator that incites violence.. THIS IS LIKE THE 5TH TIME I’M ASKING FOR FACTS![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Maybe you need to take another English class. I did not say that I believed there is a revolution coming. I said that LaRaza was inciting violence with hate speech .Call it paranoia if you want, I can assure you I’m not cowering in the corner with fear. If you don’t see how that kind of speech can become volatile, you need to pull you head out.[FONT=&quot] If I would think like you, I would put my head on the ground, and say “Incoming!” It really is irrelevant to me, as this guy, who seems to be a bigot, hasn’t influenced in any part of SB1070.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I’ll take an English class, if you take a Reading one. I’ve already told you who that guy is. If you want to talk how we can deal with him, then open another thread because he has nothing to do with SB1070, and that video is like from 2007. At least if he had something to do with SB1070 like Pearce, I would like to debate about him in this thread, but that’s not the case.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]FACTS! FACTS!FACTS! I think NCLR deserves an aplogy from you, Texan, if you don’t present facts.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Well since the camera stayed mostly on the speaker, it would be hard to tell just how many people were there. The sound of the crowd sounded like many more than 8 or 10 people. I really doubt the video would have made the evening news with only a handful of attendees. You can take what you want from the video[/FONT].
[FONT=&quot]You can also either accept the sources I provided or not, that is up to you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You can’t talk that deliberately. Give facts that back up your words.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However to answer your question, no these are not sites I usually read. I did a simple google search of the words La Raza and these were on the first page of results. There were some that were in Spanish but I didn’t post them for the obvious reason. I didn’t even read them in any detail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don’t know where you live, but I am pretty sure it isn’t in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona or you would be well acquainted with the ways of La Raza.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]LOL. You say you google La Raza and whatever you found out about it in English are your sources. LMAO. You don’t care what state I’m at. But, you should know that my state makes the best burgers, we got the best beer, and the best women on whole planet Earth. And next time you post links to sites, read them before I do. Because, you got your resources from a site that says that Bush was behind 9/11, do you believe in that? I know everyone is entitled to any opinion, that’s why we’re in America. It’d be interesting what other sites you read. Do you really know the difference between “La Raza” and “NCLR” now that I gave you some information on post 1537. Can you really give facts that NCLR was supporting this teacher? Or you just claim to know what you don’t? I’ve been looking for facts to see if what you say is true, but can’t find anything. But again, I think NCLR deserves an aplogy from you, Texan, if you don’t present those facts.[/FONT]

 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
[FONT=&quot]You speak only one language, but as I see you can’t read it. There are many parts of the law I have cited, the ones that leave to racial profile and the ones that can affect you or anyone else’ sooner or later. Why you ignore the facts so much? But, your statements are like the daughter of Diego de Llana on Chapter XLIX on the second book of “Don Quixote.” Oops sorry, I forgot you read things like “Leading Conservative Media since 1944” and “A guide to the Political Left for Dummies.” LOL. I wonder where you read SB1070 from. Was your concentration broken up again, Texan or what? If you don't present the FACTS, your credibility will hit the ground again, Cowboy, or at least you should make a public apology, not to me, but to NCLR.[/FONT]
 

Lue C Fur

Evil member
Police: Illegal Immigrants Raped 14-Year-Old Texas Girl at July 4th Party

A pair of illegal immigrants raped a 14-year-old Texas girl at July 4th party in Texas, where the teen was later found sitting naked in a bathtub, police said.
The victim told police that she went to an Independence Day party with her cousin in Horseshoe Bay, Tex., about 40 miles northwest of Austin, where she was left in a room with Anibal Escobar, 19, and Anael Martinez, 22, MyFoxAustin reported.

Read more here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/1...old-texas-girl-july-th-party/?test=latestnews
 

tieguy

Banned
[FONT=&quot]The law is so radical, that it can affect anyone the police wants to, if someone doesn’t show a Driver License or the other types of ID, the officer can arrest him/her if the officer wants to..[/FONT][/QUOTE]

As it should be.
 

tieguy

Banned


[FONT=&quot]Blah, blah, blah. Again your trust in the officers and their training makes you think that a law doesn’t need to articulate its terms. LMAO. It seems all you have to do is to ignore the video I posted.[/FONT]

Surely your one video is all the proof we need to eliminate all police since per your argument none can be trusted to do their job. Such passion on your part protecting the law breakers by pretending to argue for the average citizen. Let the average citizen speak for theirselves. Oh thats right they did 60 percent are in support of this law.

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KingofBrown[/QUOTE said:
LOL, you're accusing me of not being able to read? Here read this again.
[FONT=&quot]However to answer your question, no these are not sites I usually read. I did a simple google search of the words La Raza and these were on the first page of results. There were some that were in Spanish but I didn’t post them for the obvious reason. I didn’t even read them in any detail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I don’t know where you live, but I am pretty sure it isn’t in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona or you would be well acquainted with the ways of La Raza.[/FONT]

Why is this so hard for you to understand? I posted links to websites that talked about La Raza as you requested. I wanted to show both pro and con sites on the subject. That's it....done deal.
 
Kingofnothing,
I have debated the law and it's implications with you. You keep getting off track with ridiculous statements and accusations twisting things I have said, down right lied about things I have said. You continue go off topic and demand I do your research for you (it aint gonna happen) and when I don't follow in line with your way of thinking you try insulting me in an attempt to make me mad. You have taken debate out of the conversations time and time again. I refuse to play your infantile games any longer. I know you're gonna make more insults and claims, but that's OK. I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall. Have fun.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Utah orders probe after alleged illegal immigrant list passed to state and federal agencies
BY Sean Alfano
Utah didn’t enact a strict, new anti-illegal immigration law like its neighbor Arizona, but some citizens are sending the message that they’d like their state to follow the example.
A list of more than 1,300 people alleged to be illegal immigrants was circulated to various state and federal agencies, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement, by an anonymous group this week.
The names on the list are mostly of Hispanic origin and include peoples’ addresses, birth dates, phone numbers.

Social Security numbers for 31 people are on the list, as well as the names and dates of more than 200 children and the due dates of six pregnant women, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.
The list has Utah’s Hispanic community filled with fear.
“My phone has been ringing nonstop,” Tony Yapias, the former director of the Utah Office of Hispanic Affairs, said of people frantically calling to find out if they are on the list.
“They’re feeling terrorized. They’re very scared.”


A previous version of the list was sent to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in April, signed by “Concerned Citizens of the United States.”
The April letter notes that the group “observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings.”
The group claims it has “legal Mexican nationals” infiltrating alleged illegal immigrant social networks to “help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our list.”
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Of course, you know there's no reason for them to be scared......nobody will do anything....no way....no how !!! The gov't won't deport them, they'll give them housing, food, a job, an education and I will pay for it. (I meaning the legal people)
 

tieguy

Banned
Of course, you know there's no reason for them to be scared......nobody will do anything....no way....no how !!! The gov't won't deport them, they'll give them housing, food, a job, an education and I will pay for it. (I meaning the legal people)

perhaps the government can enact and enforce some more anti business laws instead. This economy needs one more good bullet between the eyes to roll over and die for good.
 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
The law is so radical, that it can affect anyone the police wants to, if someone doesn’t show a Driver License or the other types of ID, the officer can arrest him/her if the officer wants to..

As it should be.
SB1070 gives too much power to the police, and don’t ask me how, because I’ve cited it and gave my opinion on how it can, but it seems you keep ignoring those aspects.

As it should be? Do you really think laws should be so radical? As if we were in an anarchy? LOL.

 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
Surely your one video is all the proof we need to eliminate all police since per your argument none can be trusted to do their job. Such passion on your part protecting the law breakers by pretending to argue for the average citizen. Let the average citizen speak for theirselves. Oh thats right they did 60 percent are in support of this law.


I never said that, nope I never said that this video is all proof we need to eliminate all police, nope, I didn’t say that. Do you also have too much trust in the police to say that the terms of a law don’t need to be articulated? Oh yes, I saw that in the past post, you have radical views.
 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
LOL, you're accusing me of not being able to read? Here read this again.
However to answer your question, no these are not sites I usually read. I did a simple google search of the words La Raza and these were on the first page of results. There were some that were in Spanish but I didn’t post them for the obvious reason. I didn’t even read them in any detail.
I don’t know where you live, but I am pretty sure it isn’t in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona or you would be well acquainted with the ways of La Raza.

Why is this so hard for you to understand? I posted links to websites that talked about La Raza as you requested. I wanted to show both pro and con sites on the subject. That's it....done deal.


I never saw a pro site, I read the offical site of NCLR and the other three were bad propaganda.

I just want you to give facts to say that Ron Gochez is affiliated with NCLR, and to say and prove that NCLR is an agitator organization. If you don’t have any factual information, just say you don’t have any, is that too hard for you?

 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
Kingofnothing,
I have debated the law and it's implications with you. You keep getting off track with ridiculous statements and accusations twisting things I have said, down right lied about things I have said. You continue go off topic and demand I do your research for you (it aint gonna happen) and when I don't follow in line with your way of thinking you try insulting me in an attempt to make me mad. You have taken debate out of the conversations time and time again. I refuse to play your infantile games any longer. I know you're gonna make more insults and claims, but that's OK. I'm just tired of beating my head against the wall. LOL. Have fun.




Ouh! Now, I’m the one instulting. Yeah right. It seems that in all these years you haven’t understad what the word respect implies.

I’m gonna’ say it for like the 7th time, Texan. I want facts of your claims that say that Ron Gochez is a member of NCLR, and that NCLR is an agitator group. How about that? So you don’t get off topic.

 

KingofBrown

Well-Known Member
Do anyone of you appraise these type of actions by individuals, not by Law agencies? The group claims it has “legal Mexican nationals” infiltrating alleged illegal immigrant social networks to “help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our list.” Do anyone of you appraise this remarks? Is it that easy to obtain private information (that is protected even from Official Agents) from anyone, (And I’m not saying just illegals, although they’re also protected by our laws) but is it that easy to spy on the living of an individual by another individual, not an official agency, and then do whatever they want with that information? I think this situation has gotten way off track. There are procedures that must be followed. But, I guess many of you agree on this type of actions because you want to “supposedly” solve the problem of illegal immigration by whatever means, it doesn’t matter if they break any other laws on the way, thus bringing more severe problems.

"We are enclosing a list of individuals who we strongly believe are in this county illegally."
Holyshoot! They strongly believe “BELIEVE.” My! So they’re violating the 4th amendment and they’re not sure if they did it in a moral way? Holymathatrucker! Watch out, they can include anyone in those lists if they strongly believe, not if they reasonable suspect, now; but if they strongly believe.

Utah orders probe after alleged illegal immigrant list passed to state and federal agencies
BY Sean Alfano
Utah didn’t enact a strict, new anti-illegal immigration law like its neighbor Arizona, but some citizens are sending the message that they’d like their state to follow the example.
A list of more than 1,300 people alleged to be illegal immigrants was circulated to various state and federal agencies, including Immigration and Customs Enforcement, by an anonymous group this week.
The names on the list are mostly of Hispanic origin and include peoples’ addresses, birth dates, phone numbers.

Social Security numbers for 31 people are on the list, as well as the names and dates of more than 200 children and the due dates of six pregnant women, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.
The list has Utah’s Hispanic community filled with fear.
“My phone has been ringing nonstop,” Tony Yapias, the former director of the Utah Office of Hispanic Affairs, said of people frantically calling to find out if they are on the list.
“They’re feeling terrorized. They’re very scared.”


A previous version of the list was sent to Immigration and Customs Enforcement in April, signed by “Concerned Citizens of the United States.”
The April letter notes that the group “observes these individuals in our neighborhoods, driving on our streets, working in our stores, attending our schools and entering our public welfare buildings.”
The group claims it has “legal Mexican nationals” infiltrating alleged illegal immigrant social networks to “help us obtain the necessary information we need to add them to our list.”
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
Welcome to Maywood.
by Roger Hedgecock
06/25/2010

Boasting a population that is 97% Hispanic, more than half foreign born,
and 40%
illegal, the Los Angeles County, Calif., incorporated city of Maywood has
achieved the Reconquista goal. It is now as lawless and chaotic as any
place in
Mexico.
Maywood is a warning to every city and town in America.

The Maywood City Council announced this week that after years of radical
policies, corruption and scandal, the city was broke and all city
employees
would be laid off and essential city services contracted out to
neighboring
cities or to L.A. County government.
How did this happen? Until recently, Maywood was the model for "brown
power"
politics.
Maywood was the first California city with an elected Hispanic City
Council, one
of the first "sanctuary" cities for illegal aliens, the first city to pass
a
resolution calling for a boycott of Arizona after that state passed a law
to enforce federal immigration laws, the first California city to order
its
police
department not to enforce state laws requiring drivers to have licenses
to drive, the first American city to call on Congress to grant amnesty to
all
illegals. Council meetings were conducted in Spanish. Maywood was the
leader in
the peaceful, democratic achievement of the La Raza goal to take power in
the
U.S.
The City of Maywood started out quite differently. Back after World War
II,
Maywood was a booming blue-collar town with good jobs, a multi-ethnic
suburb of
Los Angeles. On the 25th anniversary in 1949 of Maywood's incorporation as
a
city, the town celebrated with a beard-growing contest, a rodeo, and
wrestling
matches in City Park. Chrysler operated an assembly plant there until>1971. But
the early 1970s saw these industrial jobs in aerospace, auto and
furniture manufacturing, and food processing evaporate under the pressure
of
higher taxes, increased local and state regulation, and the attraction of
cheaper land and cheaper labor elsewhere.

The multi-ethnic Maywood of the post-war years was transformed in the �80s
and
�90s by wave after wave of Hispanic immigrants, many of them illegal.
In August 2006, a "Save Our State" anti-illegal immigration rally in
Maywood
drew hundreds of protesters�but a larger number of defenders of illegal
immigration. The pro-illegal protesters carried signs which read "We are
Indigenous ! The ONLY owners of this Continent!" and "Racist Pilgrims
Go Home" and "All Europeans are Illegal Here." According to newspaper
reports
at the time, objectors to illegal aliens were subject to physical attacks.
A
70-year-old man was "slashed," a woman attacked, and cars vandalized.
Pro-illegal demonstrators raised the Mexican flag at the U.S. Post Office.
The illegal population and their sympathizers became increasingly
radicalized.
Elections to the City Council saw "assimilationist" incumbent Hispanic
council
members ousted by La Raza supporting radical challengers.

For years, the Maywood City Council authorized police checkpoints to stop
drunk
driving. Drivers without licenses had their cars impounded. Illegals in
California cannot get drivers licenses. By 2005, the number of such
impounds
were in the hundreds. A community campaign was launched forcing the City
Council
to suspend the checkpoints. Cars were still being impounded whenever a
police
traffic-violation stop resulted in a driver without a license. Felipe
Aguirre, a
community activist with Comite Pro-Uno, an "immigration service center,"
coordinated a new campaign against any impounds. He was elected in 2005 to
the
City Council. He is the mayor of Maywood today. Aguirre and a new majority
of
the council dismantled the Traffic Department. Illegals were given
overnight-parking permits and impounds stopped. You didn't need a license
to
drive in Maywood. The Los Angeles Times wrote glowingly of this "progress"
in a
story entitled "Welcome to Maywood, Where Roads Open Up For Immigrants".

The Maywood Police Department was restructured by the new council. A new
chief
and new officers were hired. Later it turned out that many of the new
officers
had previously been fired from other law enforcement agencies for a
variety
ofinfractions. The Maywood P.D. was known as the "Department of Second
Chances." Among those hired was a former L.A. Sheriff's deputy terminated
for
abusing jail inmates; a former LAPD officer fired for intimidating a
witness;
and an ex-Huntington Park officer charged with negligently discharging a
handgun
and driving drunk.
Even the L.A. Times called the Maywood Police Department a "haven for
misfit
cops." Their story alleged that a veteran officer was extorting sex from
relatives of a criminal fugitive; that another officer tried to run over
the president of the Maywood Police Commission; and that another officer
has
impregnated a teenage police-explorer scout. Charges of corruption and
favoritism led to one recall of city council members and threats of more
recalls
are heard to this day. Maywood is represented in the state Senate by
Democrat
"One Bill" Gil Cedillo. He earned the nickname by introducing every year
in the
state legislature a bill to grant drivers licenses to illegals. Maywood is
represented in Congress by Democrat Lucille Roybal-Allard, a staunch
advocate of
amnesty for illegals.

Today, Maywood is broke. Its police department dismantled along with all
other
city departments and personnel. Only the city council remains and a city
manager
to manage the contracts with other agencies for city services in
Maywood. Maywood is the warning of what happens when illegal immigrants,
resisting assimilation as Americans, bring with their growing numbers the
corruption and the radical politics of their home countries. Add the
radical
home-grown anti-Americanism of Hispanic "leaders" and groups like La Raza
and
you get schools where learning is replaced with indoctrination, business and
jobs replaced by welfare and gangs, and a poisonous stew of entitlement
politics. In too many American communities, this sad tale is all too
familiar.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
ESCONDIDO: New traffic safety checkpoints begin

16 vehicles impounded, two people arrested during operation
Escondido police impounded more than a dozen vehicles Tuesday, leaving drivers —- including several families with children —- without transportation in a first-of-its-kind checkpoint for the city.
Most of the people whose vehicles were impounded appeared to be Latinos; some said they did not have a license because they were in the country illegally.
Police set up a downtown roadblock along North Escondido Boulevard near Woodward Avenue to check driver’s licenses, vehicle registration and insurance starting at 10 a.m. It was the first time police have held the so-called traffic safety checkpoints, which replaced the department’s oft-criticized driver’s license checkpoints.
The owners will have to pay about $1,500 in towing, storage and administrative fees before they can have their vehicles returned.


ESCONDIDO: New traffic safety checkpoints begin
 
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