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tourists24

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Yes, Cornel West, a prominent philosopher, political activist, and public intellectual, often links activism to Christianity in his work. He draws upon Christian teachings, particularly those emphasizing social justice, compassion, and the liberation of the oppressed, to underscore the moral imperative of activism and social change.

West's Christian faith informs his critique of social injustices such as racism, poverty, and inequality. He argues that Christian principles should inspire believers to engage in activism and advocate for a more just and equitable society. West's perspective is rooted in the prophetic tradition of Christianity, which challenges individuals and societies to confront systemic injustices and work towards a more humane world.

In his writings and speeches, West frequently invokes figures from Christian theology and philosophy, such as Reinhold Niebuhr and Martin Luther King Jr., to illustrate the connection between faith and activism. He critiques what he sees as the hypocrisy of institutions that claim to adhere to Christian values while perpetuating or ignoring social injustices.

Overall, Cornel West's intellectual and activist work often explores the intersection of Christianity and social justice, encouraging believers to actively engage in the struggle for a better society guided by Christian ethical principles.

Am I supposed to have learned something there? Using Christian principles to guide your life is one thing (even if you’re not religious). But comparing yourself to Jesus himself for your own greedy results is another. He’s not even your personal savior yet you use Him on the same level as Hedges or Barber. It’s disgusting.
 

rickyb

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Am I supposed to have learned something there? Using Christian principles to guide your life is one thing (even if you’re not religious). But comparing yourself to Jesus himself for your own greedy results is another. He’s not even your personal savior yet you use Him on the same level as Hedges or Barber. It’s disgusting.
crucifixion can happen to any of us:

Yes, Chris Hedges did draw a comparison between his resignation from The New York Times and the biblical story of Jesus' crucifixion in his book "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning." In this book, Hedges reflects on his decision to leave the Times as a form of protest against the Iraq War, likening it to a personal sacrifice for truth and moral integrity. The comparison to Jesus' crucifixion is metaphorical, emphasizing the personal and professional consequences of taking a principled stand against war and deception. Hedges is known for his strong stance against the Iraq War and his critique of mainstream media's coverage of it during his time as a journalist.

 

rickyb

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Am I supposed to have learned something there? Using Christian principles to guide your life is one thing (even if you’re not religious). But comparing yourself to Jesus himself for your own greedy results is another. He’s not even your personal savior yet you use Him on the same level as Hedges or Barber. It’s disgusting.
notice one of the headings on this thread
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i happen to agree with that; typically it sucks

now why is that
 

rickyb

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Am I supposed to have learned something there? Using Christian principles to guide your life is one thing (even if you’re not religious). But comparing yourself to Jesus himself for your own greedy results is another. He’s not even your personal savior yet you use Him on the same level as Hedges or Barber. It’s disgusting.
i asked chatgpt to elaborate


"Certainly. Chris Hedges' decision to resign from The New York Times in 2003 was a significant moment in his career and personal ethos. At the time, he was a foreign correspondent for the Times and a vocal critic of the Iraq War. Hedges believed that the mainstream media, including his employer, were not adequately challenging the Bush administration's justifications for the war and were failing to provide truthful reporting on its consequences.

In his book "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning," Hedges reflects on this period and his decision to leave the Times. He describes his resignation as a sacrifice akin to Jesus' crucifixion in the sense that he was willingly facing personal and professional consequences for standing up against what he saw as a morally unjust war. The comparison underscores the gravity of his decision and the personal cost he paid for his convictions.

Hedges' comparison to Jesus' crucifixion is metaphorical rather than literal. He does not equate himself with Jesus but uses the crucifixion as a symbol of personal sacrifice and the price one sometimes pays for speaking out against powerful forces and standing up for truth and integrity.

Overall, Hedges' decision to leave The New York Times and his subsequent reflections in "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning" are a testament to his commitment to journalistic integrity and his belief in the importance of challenging official narratives, even at great personal cost."
 

rickyb

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He pointed out Christian nonviolence but you've advocated for riots. Seems you need to listen to him more.
he is in favor of non violence and civil disobedience but is in favor of violence when it comes to extreme oppression and injustice or self defense.
 

rickyb

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capitalism and christianity dont mix!


"Chris Hedges argues that Christianity is fundamentally incompatible with capitalism primarily because capitalism prioritizes profit, individualism, and material wealth—values that often conflict with Christian teachings of compassion, justice, and communal well-being.

Here are a few key reasons why Chris Hedges asserts that Christianity and capitalism are at odds:

1. **Materialism vs. Spiritual Values**: Christianity emphasizes spiritual and moral values such as love for others, humility, and compassion. Capitalism, on the other hand, often promotes materialism, consumerism, and the pursuit of profit above all else. Hedges criticizes how capitalism can lead to the exploitation of people and the environment in pursuit of financial gain, which he sees as contrary to Christian principles.

2. **Inequality and Justice**: Hedges highlights the inherent inequality that capitalism can perpetuate, where wealth and power are concentrated in the hands of a few at the expense of the many. This disparity contrasts sharply with Christian teachings on justice, equality, and caring for the marginalized and vulnerable.

3. **Ethical Concerns**: Capitalism, in its pursuit of profit maximization and economic growth, can sometimes disregard ethical considerations such as environmental sustainability, workers' rights, and social justice. Hedges argues that these ethical lapses contradict Christian ethical teachings, which emphasize stewardship of the Earth and concern for the well-being of all people.

4. **Critique of Corporate Influence**: Hedges critiques the influence of corporate interests on politics, culture, and society, arguing that this influence often undermines democratic principles and exacerbates social and economic inequalities. From a Christian perspective, this concentration of power and influence can lead to systems that prioritize greed and self-interest over communal welfare and ethical considerations.

In summary, Chris Hedges argues that Christianity, with its emphasis on moral values, social justice, and communal well-being, stands in opposition to the values and practices promoted by capitalism, which prioritizes profit, competition, and individual gain. He sees these conflicting values as evidence that Christianity cannot be fully reconciled with capitalist economic systems."
 

tourists24

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because its been taken over by govt and moneyed interests
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That's his biggest flaw..... the fact that politics needs to be addressed as more important that personal salvation. Salvation IS the main reason Jesus was sent here as a person. What good is it to simply do good works and yet not receive the gift that Jesus was sent to die for? Everything else you just showed can come after that.
 

tourists24

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he is in favor of non violence and civil disobedience but is in favor of violence when it comes to extreme oppression and injustice or self defense.
and nowhere in the teachings of Jesus does he advocate violence on one another. Nowhere will you find that it's ok to kill one another if they are oppressed.
 

rickyb

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That's his biggest flaw..... the fact that politics needs to be addressed as more important that personal salvation. Salvation IS the main reason Jesus was sent here as a person. What good is it to simply do good works and yet not receive the gift that Jesus was sent to die for? Everything else you just showed can come after that.
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Chris Hedges, a journalist and author, has discussed various aspects of Jesus' mission in his writings and speeches. One central theme he explores is Jesus' role as a revolutionary figure who challenged the oppressive political and religious systems of his time. According to Hedges, Jesus was sent to confront the powers that oppressed the poor and marginalized, to speak truth to power, and to advocate for justice and compassion.

Hedges often critiques modern interpretations of Christianity that he believes have strayed from these radical teachings, emphasizing Jesus' message of love, mercy, and solidarity with the downtrodden. He argues that Jesus' primary mission was to challenge the status quo and inspire a movement for social and moral transformation.

It's important to note that interpretations of Jesus' mission vary widely among scholars and theologians, and Hedges' perspective reflects a particular viewpoint that focuses on social justice and ethical critique."


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Cornel West, a prominent philosopher, theologian, and political activist, often emphasizes Jesus' message of love, justice, and compassion. He views Jesus' primary mission as challenging the powers of domination and oppression that marginalize and exploit vulnerable communities. West argues that Jesus was sent to confront the injustices of his time and to advocate for a radical transformation of society toward greater equality and solidarity.

West's interpretation of Jesus' mission aligns with his broader social justice advocacy, where he critiques systems of power that perpetuate inequality and advocates for a more inclusive and compassionate society. He often highlights Jesus' teachings on love, forgiveness, and the inherent dignity of every human being as foundational principles for creating a just and equitable world.

Overall, Cornel West's perspective on Jesus' mission centers around the themes of social justice, love, and liberation from oppressive structures, emphasizing the transformative potential of Jesus' message for contemporary challenges."
 

vantexan

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he is in favor of non violence and civil disobedience but is in favor of violence when it comes to extreme oppression and injustice or self defense.
Yah, I'm sure he'd advocate violence to make sure the working man doesn't work more than 5 hours a day and be able to tell a business owner how to run his business. Power to the people!
 

rickyb

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That's his biggest flaw..... the fact that politics needs to be addressed as more important that personal salvation. Salvation IS the main reason Jesus was sent here as a person. What good is it to simply do good works and yet not receive the gift that Jesus was sent to die for? Everything else you just showed can come after that.
"Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II, a prominent figure in the contemporary American civil rights movement and a pastor, often speaks about Jesus' mission in terms of justice, love, and solidarity with the oppressed. He draws on the Christian gospel to advocate for social justice and moral revival in the United States.

Barber emphasizes Jesus' commitment to challenging systems of injustice and inequality, particularly focusing on issues such as poverty, racism, and militarism. He sees Jesus as a radical figure who confronted the political and religious authorities of his time to uplift the marginalized and call for a transformation of society.

In Barber's view, Jesus' mission was fundamentally about promoting a moral and ethical vision that prioritizes the well-being of the poor and marginalized. He interprets Jesus' teachings as a call to resist oppression and advocate for policies and practices that promote justice, mercy, and compassion.

Barber's perspective on Jesus' mission aligns closely with his activism and advocacy work, where he seeks to mobilize communities and promote policies that address systemic injustices and uphold the dignity and rights of all people, particularly those most affected by poverty and discrimination."

were 3 for 3 here.

 

vantexan

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"Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II, a prominent figure in the contemporary American civil rights movement and a pastor, often speaks about Jesus' mission in terms of justice, love, and solidarity with the oppressed. He draws on the Christian gospel to advocate for social justice and moral revival in the United States.

Barber emphasizes Jesus' commitment to challenging systems of injustice and inequality, particularly focusing on issues such as poverty, racism, and militarism. He sees Jesus as a radical figure who confronted the political and religious authorities of his time to uplift the marginalized and call for a transformation of society.

In Barber's view, Jesus' mission was fundamentally about promoting a moral and ethical vision that prioritizes the well-being of the poor and marginalized. He interprets Jesus' teachings as a call to resist oppression and advocate for policies and practices that promote justice, mercy, and compassion.

Barber's perspective on Jesus' mission aligns closely with his activism and advocacy work, where he seeks to mobilize communities and promote policies that address systemic injustices and uphold the dignity and rights of all people, particularly those most affected by poverty and discrimination."

were 3 for 3 here.

3 for 3? You mean they all got it wrong?
 

tourists24

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"Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II, a prominent figure in the contemporary American civil rights movement and a pastor, often speaks about Jesus' mission in terms of justice, love, and solidarity with the oppressed. He draws on the Christian gospel to advocate for social justice and moral revival in the United States.

Barber emphasizes Jesus' commitment to challenging systems of injustice and inequality, particularly focusing on issues such as poverty, racism, and militarism. He sees Jesus as a radical figure who confronted the political and religious authorities of his time to uplift the marginalized and call for a transformation of society.

In Barber's view, Jesus' mission was fundamentally about promoting a moral and ethical vision that prioritizes the well-being of the poor and marginalized. He interprets Jesus' teachings as a call to resist oppression and advocate for policies and practices that promote justice, mercy, and compassion.

Barber's perspective on Jesus' mission aligns closely with his activism and advocacy work, where he seeks to mobilize communities and promote policies that address systemic injustices and uphold the dignity and rights of all people, particularly those most affected by poverty and discrimination."

were 3 for 3 here.

Then Barber's views are very warped (of course I already knew this). Jesus never calls for political activism but simply how you should treat people. He and then his disciples went to try to bring people's hearts toward salvation and THEN follow God's path
 
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