Continuing Reagan’s failed War on Drugs.

vantexan

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not mine, the research of those who have used marijuana, a drug classified as having no medical value, to help people suffering.
I think it's been well established that marijuana has very good medicinal value for a number of ills. The issue is whether recreational use is overall beneficial to society. And the Fed's believe it's harmful. No doubt the alcohol and tobacco lobbies pay big money to prevent legalization. But there's been plenty of research done by legitimate concerns, like universities, that have published in peer reviews their findings. So take it up with them. Saying it's all b.s. because they drew different conclusions than you want to hear isn't a rational argument.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
From what I can see plainly for myself several states have legalized pot. The Federal government hasn't sent in the troops. However the Fed's have the right to withhold money from States that don't comply with Federal law. Is that what you're speaking to?
No, I’m saying why are there federal laws against drugs in the first place? What power does he fed have to do this to begin with? Do you believe prohibition should be handled by the fed with out amending the constitution like we did for alcohol?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
I think it's been well established that marijuana has very good medicinal value for a number of ills. The issue is whether recreational use is overall beneficial to society. And the Fed's believe it's harmful. No doubt the alcohol and tobacco lobbies pay big money to prevent legalization. But there's been plenty of research done by legitimate concerns, like universities, that have published in peer reviews their findings. So take it up with them. Saying it's all b.s. because they drew different conclusions than you want to hear isn't a rational argument.
It’s not about whether drug use is beneficial to society you clown, it’s about whether the federal government has this power to begin with and if prohibition is worse than legalization. Just look at Chicago and the history of alcohol prohibition, drop your preconceived notions of drug use and federal power on the matter to begin with.
 

MAKAVELI

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I think it's been well established that marijuana has very good medicinal value for a number of ills. The issue is whether recreational use is overall beneficial to society. And the Fed's believe it's harmful. No doubt the alcohol and tobacco lobbies pay big money to prevent legalization. But there's been plenty of research done by legitimate concerns, like universities, that have published in peer reviews their findings. So take it up with them. Saying it's all b.s. because they drew different conclusions than you want to hear isn't a rational argument.
The feds, in their infinite wisdom, classified marijuana as a schedule 1 drug.
Drugs / Substances listed in DEA Schedule I include:
You really think it belongs in this group?
 

vantexan

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No, I’m saying why are there federal laws against drugs in the first place? What power does he fed have to do this to begin with? Do you believe prohibition should be handled by the fed with out amending the constitution like we did for alcohol?
Because the Federal government has a vested interest in maintaining an orderly society. Who has more sway on the government, employers or employees? The employers want people capable of holding a job, not strung out. Capitalism itself depends on ambition. And of course I'll get hooted at from the peanut gallery but I just don't see a bright future for the U.S. if pot becomes as commonplace as having a beer.
 

vantexan

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The feds, in their infinite wisdom, classified marijuana as a schedule 1 drug.
Drugs / Substances listed in DEA Schedule I include:
You really think it belongs in this group?
I don't know. Do you think young adults are ok smoking it?
 

vantexan

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It’s not about whether drug use is beneficial to society you clown, it’s about whether the federal government has this power to begin with and if prohibition is worse than legalization. Just look at Chicago and the history of alcohol prohibition, drop your preconceived notions of drug use and federal power on the matter to begin with.
We have this thing called the Drug Enforcement Agency. Why do you think we have it? Has the government no interest in preventing epidemics like opioids, meth, crack, LSD? Or should they just stay out of the way and see how it all turns out?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
We have this thing called the Drug Enforcement Agency. Why do you think we have it? Has the government no interest in preventing epidemics like opioids, meth, crack, LSD? Or should they just stay out of the way and see how it all turns out?
Yea the federal government, if you believe in a constitutional republic, should stay out of the matter. It should be decided on a state level with the feds helping to crack down on illegal state to state commerce.
 

vantexan

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Are you saying we should make alcohol illegal because it causes permanent damage?
If abused it does, but the citizenry wanted it anyways. But I can have a drink daily with no damage at all. Studies have even shown that to be beneficial. But prolonged pot use by young adults whose brains are still developing has been shown to be damaging.
 

vantexan

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Yea the federal government, if you believe in a constitutional republic, should stay out of the matter. It should be decided on a state level with the feds helping to crack down on illegal state to state commerce.
It's a representative republic. Those States sent representatives to create law. It's what the Federal government deems is in our best interest. If not happy with that get an amendment to the Constitution passed.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
If abused it does, but the citizenry wanted it anyways. But I can have a drink daily with no damage at all. Studies have even shown that to be beneficial. But prolonged pot use by young adults whose brains are still developing has been shown to be damaging.
You keep saying that but I’ve yet to see the study posted. Please let me see that juicy .gov research
 

MAKAVELI

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If abused it does, but the citizenry wanted it anyways. But I can have a drink daily with no damage at all. Studies have even shown that to be beneficial. But prolonged pot use by young adults whose brains are still developing has been shown to be damaging.
Prolonged alcohol use damages the brain much worse. One can be physically addicted to alcohol where weed does not. You really need to educate yourself Van.
 

vantexan

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Prolonged alcohol use damages the brain much worse. One can be physically addicted to alcohol where weed does not. You really need to educate yourself Van.
Prolonged alcohol abuse, not use. A drink a day, or in my case, once every 10 weeks or so, won't harm you. Expensive habit.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Look it up yourself. Google is your friend.
Like I said I have, .gov and special interests. You’re a clown and that’s coming from the guy that thinks injecting herion into your balls should be legal.
Prolonged alcohol abuse, not use. A drink a day, or in my case, once every 10 weeks or so, won't harm you. Expensive habit.
“Yes but taking the occasional hit of marijuana will ruin your brain.”
-DEA shill
 
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