1eye. that was extremely good info and everybody should read this. Hopefully its accurate, but never the less exactly what we've all been talking about for quite some time now. Not to mention another prime example for the trustees who are part teamster officials, to show this was coming along time ago and yet nothing was done or at least not enough. The burden lies square on our shoulders to make a serious decision that will serve our best wishes or face the consiquences. If you want to follow what the article says, the only way is to do it ourselves. There are obviously too many parties involved to even think it would help or please everyone. Its just not possible. The only way is to cut our losses now, wipe the slate clean and put us the hourly employees of UPS and FREIGHT and everyone else that may fall in the same category. And like it or not the APWA is just that. It is organized for the hourly employees under the teamster represention. Their slogan says it all, '' for the people, by the people" This is the only way to stay united as a whole in times of destress such as we are having now. If the cs trustees would CHANGE the way the pension was ran or CHANGE the way the pension was paid for example, instead of choping everyones pension the same, pay the benificiaries according to how much each employers were paying into the fund to start and see where that got us, but I know they wouldn't do that because its the right thing to do because, being only 15% but still the largest, most wouldn't think that was fair. So instead the largest and possibly the biggest paying share into the fund is now looking elsewhere. So at the very least we owe it to ourselves to do whats best for us even though most wouldn't understand we are talking about our futures and only we can do something about it. It is obvious that in light of this new information that not only cs but also the teamsters who are just as responsible for thinking they could handcuff us by setting all the other rules to keep what they think they deserve instead of getting what they should. There are some extremely dark days ahead if WE don't do something and only WE can do it for ourselves. WE shouldn't put our trust into someone elses hand who has proven time and time again to put themselves ahead of how they work for. Change is enevitable and if we can't roll with the punches then we deserve what we get. Lets also remember, these chances don't grow on trees. I've heard all the speculations of using a union busting attorney, being unproven, not really a union but lets remember that everything in the past came from people who wouldn't take no for an answer and when everything seemingly could and would not work something did and the difference is because its the right way and the way it should have been from the beginning. Individual {or as close as it could be and still be called a pension} retirement funds completely visible via internet, to see what you'll have so you can decide when you want to retire and not when your told, because its your money. You've earned it, you should be able to do what ever you want, when ever you want and when its your time to leave this planet what you have left goes to your family or whoever you claim as your beneficiary. I say its time for change and there's no time like the present. Everything else is a costs us in more ways than one.