Contract raises vs. state minimum wage

[twoweeled]

Because somebody mentioned McDonalds.

Is $15 per hour really going to Bankrupt McD's? Will burgers be 10 bucks? Does a McDonalds worker deserve to make that much.... Dont we all deserve to make a good living and boom our economy? If 68 million people "the amount of people who eat at mcdonalds per day" saw a price increase on thier bill of 33 cents Mcdonalds could pay thier employees 15 per hour and still pocket thier 33 billion dollars of profit. McDonald's has stated it would cost them 8 billion per year. So yeah your cheese burger will be 10 cents higher.

It probably won't bankrupt Micky, but I'm sure you've heard of the ripple effect in a pond? Maybe the butterfly effect? I'm not sure if you're looking down the road far enough to get a true sense of who/why this is going to affect. HUGE effect!

 

[Griffin1820]

It probably won't bankrupt Micky, but I'm sure you've heard of the ripple effect in a pond? Maybe the butterfly effect? I'm not sure if you're looking down the road far enough to get a true sense of who/why this is going to affect. HUGE effect!

Sure I am but I also understand the ripple is a manipulated one that pads the corporate pocket. Notice I never mentioned a minimum wage. Minimum wage would be abolished if I had my way. McDs keeps wages low and keeps thier employees eligible for government assistance its basically the governments way of subsidizing mcds. Or mcds could pay thier employees 11 to 12 bucks an hour and they could get a living wage off the government tit. More people off the tit is better.
Bottom line 40 hours in a week of someones time and labor should equal a living wage.... Period
But really im just calling the bluff on McDs who claims this is impossible. We work for UPS. Weve all heard upper management act like oh man times are tough. Its bs

 

[Mugarolla]

Notice I never mentioned a minimum wage.

No you didn't....yes you did.

Bottom line 40 hours in a week of someones time and labor should equal a living wage.... Period

Call it a living wage all you want.

It's just another way of saying minimum wage.

All employees should be paid "this" much.

 

[rudy5150]

What type of raises are we looking for next contract? Thoughts? Current part timers and full timers receiving different raises or same?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

What type of raises are we looking for next contract? Thoughts? Current part timers and full timers receiving different raises or same?

FTers are adequately compensated-----it is time to focus on the PTers.

 

[Griffin1820]

No you didn't....yes you did.



Call it a living wage all you want.

It's just another way of saying minimum wage.

All employees should be paid "this" much.

Im not saying all im saying where the employer has the ability he should pay them enough so that 40 hours equals whatever the government assistance cutoff is otherwise we are subsidizing mcds out of our pocket.

 

[twoweeled]

Sure I am but I also understand the ripple is a manipulated one that pads the corporate pocket. Notice I never mentioned a minimum wage. Minimum wage would be abolished if I had my way. McDs keeps wages low and keeps thier employees eligible for government assistance its basically the governments way of subsidizing mcds. Or mcds could pay thier employees 11 to 12 bucks an hour and they could get a living wage off the government tit. More people off the tit is better.
Bottom line 40 hours in a week of someones time and labor should equal a living wage.... Period
But really im just calling the bluff on McDs who claims this is impossible. We work for UPS. Weve all heard upper management act like oh man times are tough. Its bs

Strange. While I disagree and believe a huge raise would be bad, I agree with virtually everything else you said. Micky could afford a big raise. How much is above my paygrade. If employees were able to pull it off, is fine with me (I think) so long as there is no government intervention. Which sorta contradicts minimum wage, now that I think about it. I see that as necessary. Mmmm, I think I'll go get another cup of coffee and think about this a little bit more. I'm getting a headache, and I think I smell smoke.

 

[Mugarolla]

Im not saying all im saying where the employer has the ability he should pay them enough so that 40 hours equals whatever the government assistance cutoff is otherwise we are subsidizing mcds out of our pocket.

I don't like the welfare system either. It almost rewards people for not working.

I know, some can't work and some lack education. Hell, I would rather see my money go toward educating someone rather than just giving them money and food stamps.

But, I also don't think it is the governments job to tell Mickey D's how much to pay their employees.

Maybe fast food workers should unionise?

UPS is starting to find out that if you do not pay enough, you will not have workers.

They are going to have to raise their PT rate in order to staff their buildings.

In some areas, they are already giving bonuses to employees who show up everyday. Almost like a raise.

If nobody would work at Mickey D's for that $8.50/hr, they would have to raise their pay.

I do not believe in Socialism. You run out of other peoples money.

 

[Griffin1820]

I don't like the welfare system either. It almost rewards people for not working.

I know, some can't work and some lack education. Hell, I would rather see my money go toward educating someone rather than just giving them money and food stamps.

But, I also don't think it is the governments job to tell Mickey D's how much to pay their employees.

Maybe fast food workers should unionise?

UPS is starting to find out that if you do not pay enough, you will not have workers.

They are going to have to raise their PT rate in order to staff their buildings.

In some areas, they are already giving bonuses to employees who show up everyday. Almost like a raise.

If nobody would work at Mickey D's for that $8.50/hr, they would have to raise their pay.

I do not believe in Socialism. You run out of other peoples money.

Ok so we agree. Thats why i said abolish minimum wage it takes the government out of it. And the employees of mcds have protested. They may never become union but i completely support a raise and the employees demanding one.

 

[Griffin1820]

What type of raises are we looking for next contract? Thoughts? Current part timers and full timers receiving different raises or same?

15 or weve failed

 

[Mugarolla]

Ok so we agree. Thats why i said abolish minimum wage it takes the government out of it.

Yes, we agree, for the most part.

The only difference is that you mentioned that the Mickey D workers should get a living wage. What is this mythical number that you think is a living wage?

Who is going to make Mickey D's pay them this living wage? The government?

This living wage you speak of sounds awfully familiar to a minimum wage, just increased some. You said you want the government out of it.

And the employees of mcds have protested.

Yes, they have. And it has accomplished nothing. Seems like a union is the next step.

They may never become union but i completely support a raise and the employees demanding one.

I support them demanding a raise also, if they feel they are underpaid. But their demanding has gotten them nowhere.

Walmart had the same issue. The only thing that got Walmart to pay a little more was the outcry of the public about the typical Walmart worker having to be on Federal Assistance just to make ends meet and the grumblings from employees about possibly trying to unionize.

Fast food workers may either have to unionize or at least get the public behind them to put pressure on the employers and shame them into paying more, like what happened at Walmart.

Do I think they should be paid more? I know times have changed. Mickey D's was traditionally a job for the high school kid to make spending money. But the workforce has shifted and more and more "bread winners" are having to work at fast food places.

The $9/hr for the 16 year old burger flipper trying to earn some golfing money may be fine, but the 40 year old Dad of 2 making the same money seems unfair.

So does the employer pay them according to their financial situation, age, education, children? Or do they pay them the same and the 16 year old also makes $30,000/yr just like the Dad of 2?

One of the drawbacks of living in a Capitalistic free economy is that the economy determines the wages, not what we think the wages should be.

But it sure beats the hell out of a Socialistic economy.

We, I repeat, we, can make Mickey D's pay their workers more. Boycott them until they pay their workers more. And then stop the boycott when you think they are paying their workers enough, whatever you think that number should be.

 

[Griffin1820]

Yes, we agree, for the most part.

The only difference is that you mentioned that the Mickey D workers should get a living wage. What is this mythical number that you think is a living wage?

Who is going to make Mickey D's pay them this living wage? The government?

This living wage you speak of sounds awfully familiar to a minimum wage, just increased some. You said you want the government out of it.



Yes, they have. And it has accomplished nothing. Seems like a union is the next step.



I support them demanding a raise also, if they feel they are underpaid. But their demanding has gotten them nowhere.

Walmart had the same issue. The only thing that got Walmart to pay a little more was the outcry of the public about the typical Walmart worker having to be on Federal Assistance just to make ends meet and the grumblings from employees about possibly trying to unionize.

Fast food workers may either have to unionize or at least get the public behind them to put pressure on the employers and shame them into paying more, like what happened at Walmart.

Do I think they should be paid more? I know times have changed. Mickey D's was traditionally a job for the high school kid to make spending money. But the workforce has shifted and more and more "bread winners" are having to work at fast food places.

The $9/hr for the 16 year old burger flipper trying to earn some golfing money may be fine, but the 40 year old Dad of 2 making the same money seems unfair.

So does the employer pay them according to their financial situation, age, education, children? Or do they pay them the same and the 16 year old also makes $30,000/yr just like the Dad of 2?

One of the drawbacks of living in a Capitalistic free economy is that the economy determines the wages, not what we think the wages should be.

But it sure beats the hell out of a Socialistic economy.

We, I repeat, we, can make Mickey D's pay their workers more. Boycott them until they pay their workers more. And then stop the boycott when you think they are paying their workers enough, whatever you think that number should be.

Living wage means a 40 hour week of your labor and time should equal enough money to live off of. Enough money to not need or qualify for Government assistance.

 

[Mugarolla]

Living wage means a 40 hour week of your labor and time should equal enough money to live off of. Enough money to not need or qualify for Government assistance.

OK

So who is going to make an employer pay that?

Mickey D's won't do that out of the goodness of their heart.

And if the Government makes them pay this, then it is just another form of a minimum wage, which you said you are against.

 

[rudy5150]

15 or weve failed

I agree but what about raises for full timers and current part timers?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I agree but what about raises for full timers and current part timers?

FTers are adequately compensated—it is time to take care of the PTers.

 

[Griffin1820]

FTers are adequately compensated—it is time to take care of the PTers.

I would agree with this. Full timers need a lot of things but raises is not one of them. Focus those efforts on the 9.5, retirement, benifits etc...

 

[Griffin1820]

I agree but what about raises for full timers and current part timers?

Im not really sure the math tjey use to calculate the current pt wages in these situations.

 

[Griffin1820]

I agree but what about raises for full timers and current part timers?

Im not really sure the math they use to calculate the current pt wages in these situations.

 

[Griffin1820]

OK

So who is going to make an employer pay that?

Mickey D's won't do that out of the goodness of their heart.

And if the Government makes them pay this, then it is just another form of a minimum wage, which you said you are against.

The fight for the raise my have to drag on. Do you think mcds could handle a union with the competition in the fast food industry?

 

[Mugarolla]

The fight for the raise my have to drag on. Do you think mcds could handle a union with the competition in the fast food industry?

No, but that is the only way they are going to pay $15/hr unless the minimum wage is increased to that.

Now, if all the fast food workers got together, Burger King, Wendy's, Taco Bell, In N Out Burger...

We may have something.