Court knows threat better than President

[Catatonic]

Too soon to bring up the fact that most 'terrorist' attacks in the US lately are white-nationalists?

Since White US citizens have the most access and least police scrutiny, they will tend to be more successful.

It is also time to recognize the FBI, Homeland Security and other police and investigative forces within and outside the US that have rooted out "non-US".

Not that I am trying to differentiate a moral equivalency between the two groups.
Rather, that you fight what you are legally allowed to do and do the best you can.

Ignoring the fact that there are two groups within the Middle East - Group One wants to bring harm and death to Western Society people and Group Two that is willing to coexist with other societies and religions.

It is very hard to filter out Group One people while allowing Group Two to migrate to the US in a well-thought out program.

Maybe Trump want's to better ensure Group One stays out of the US.

 

[BrownArmy]

Since White US citizens have the most access and least police scrutiny, they will tend to be more successful....

Sooooo...spend a lot of political capitol chasing windmills while an actual threat lies within our midst, right within our own borders?

But we won't touch that, because it's white people and guns?

Seriously?

 

[Catatonic]

Sooooo...spend a lot of political capitol chasing windmills while an actual threat lies within our midst, right within our own borders?

But we won't touch that, because it's white people and guns?

Seriously?

Nice misdirection ... they are not windmills ... remember 9/11?

They stop more internal terrorist acts than external now.

The US can handle two fronts ... easily.

 

[BrownArmy]

Nice misdirection ... they are not windmills ... remember 9/11?

They stop more internal terrorist acts than external now.

The US can handle two fronts ... easily.

I disagree - when have we had internal terrorist attacks from any of the seven countries on Trumps' ban?

(I think the number is less than five).

Since you brought up 9/11, why isn't Saudi Arabia on the ban-list?

Is it really windmills? - when's the last time a refugee committed a terrorist attack in the US?

As well, I simply see Trumps' ban as ill-conceived, poorly executed, and likely not to help our image overseas, which is huge.

Big-League.

Now, since you think I'm misdirecting, what about the clear fact that white terrorism within our own borders has taken more lives than any foreign national or group has, since 9/11?

Is that not relevant, if we're talking about terrorism?

 

[Catatonic]

... clear fact that white terrorism within our own borders has taken more lives than any foreign national or group has, since 9/11?

Now you're just making stuff up.
I'll answer later when you have better control of your emotions and discuss things civilly.
This is new side of you I have not seen.

 

[Non sequitur]

I disagree - when have we had internal terrorist attacks from any of the seven countries on Trumps' ban?

(I think the number is less than five).

Since you brought up 9/11, why isn't Saudi Arabia on the ban-list?

Is it really windmills? - when's the last time a refugee committed a terrorist attack in the US?

As well, I simply see Trumps' ban as ill-conceived, poorly executed, and likely not to help our image overseas, which is huge.

Big-League.

Now, since you think I'm misdirecting, what about the clear fact that white terrorism within our own borders has taken more lives than any foreign national or group has, since 9/11?

Is that not relevant, if we're talking about terrorism?

I think the political refugees in this country should seek asylum in one of "banned" countries. Whatever political/religious ideas friend-up those countries cannot be repeated in the civilized world.[/QUOTE]

 

[BrownArmy]

Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

Trump Immigration Ban: Understanding The Real Threat of Terrorism

10 plots and attacks by white people the White House left off its terrorism list

From the last link:

"But a 2015 study by the New America Foundation found that between 9/11 and June 2015, white supremacists and right-wing extremists killed nearly twice as many people (48) on American soil as radical Muslims did (26).

The nonpartisan think tank also noted that every lethal attack inside the United States from 9/11 to 2015 was committed by a citizen or legal resident, throwing water on Trump’s idea that restricting foreign immigration will reduce the risk of terrorism. The administration reportedly plans to deprioritize national security investigations into domestic right-wing extremists, focusing instead on “radical Islamic extremism.”

I don't know - tomato, tomahto.

 

[bbsam]

They shouldn't have to in many Constitutional scholars' minds.

I thought it was precious that the Court suggested the President should make Classified information to the 9th District Court to make the government's case. Ha- ha ... that would be like handing over the Classified info to Wikileaks.

They are required to do so for FISA warrants.

 

[Catatonic]

Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

Trump Immigration Ban: Understanding The Real Threat of Terrorism

10 plots and attacks by white people the White House left off its terrorism list

From the last link:

"But a 2015 study by the New America Foundation found that between 9/11 and June 2015, white supremacists and right-wing extremists killed nearly twice as many people (48) on American soil as radical Muslims did (26).

The nonpartisan think tank also noted that every lethal attack inside the United States from 9/11 to 2015 was committed by a citizen or legal resident, throwing water on Trump’s idea that restricting foreign immigration will reduce the risk of terrorism. The administration reportedly plans to deprioritize national security investigations into domestic right-wing extremists, focusing instead on “radical Islamic extremism.”

I don't know - tomato, tomahto.

You're playing games.
Trump's EO was to stop external people who were potential jihadist terrorists from entering the US.

Anyone that is already in the US is not affected by this order whether citizen or not.

I would assume the FBI has a powerful program in place to deal with internal terrorists regardless of origin of birth.

 

[bbsam]

They shouldn't have to in many Constitutional scholars' minds.

I thought it was precious that the Court suggested the President should make Classified information to the 9th District Court to make the government's case. Ha- ha ... that would be like handing over the Classified info to Wikileaks.

Shouldn't have to? I think the court covered the jurisdiction pretty well.

 

[bbsam]

You're playing games.
Trump's EO was to stop external people who were potential jihadist terrorists from entering the US.

Anyone that is already in the US is not affected by this order whether citizen or not.

I would assume the FBI has a powerful program in place to deal with internal terrorists regardless of origin of birth.

It went a lot further than that.

 

[Catatonic]

They are required to do so for FISA warrants.

Probably don't get those from the 9th District Court and besides it was meant to be funny, not an actual belief the 9th District Court would ever illegally disclose to wikileaks any Classified info.

Lighten up Nancy.

 

[Catatonic]

It went a lot further than that.

I missed that ... what else did the EO address?

 

[Catatonic]

They are required to do so for FISA warrants.

It was a joke.

 

[Turdferguson]

They shouldn't have to in many Constitutional scholars' minds.

I thought it was precious that the Court suggested the President should make Classified information to the 9th District Court to make the government's case. Ha- ha ... that would be like handing over the Classified info to Wikileaks.

Do we elect a president or emperor?
Last I checked no mater the reason he still has to answer to the constitutionality of his decrees. Hiding behind the "skirt" of national security to try and bully his way to doing what he wants , when he wants and how he wants to do it. Is not what the founding fathers had in mind when this country was created

 

[Catatonic]

Do we elect a president or emperor?
Last I checked no matter the reason he still has to answer to the constitutionality of his decrees. Hiding behind the "skirt" of national security to try and bully his way to doing what he wants , when he wants and how he wants to do it.
Is not what the founding fathers had in mind when this country was created?

President
Yes
Yes

 

[Turdferguson]

President
Yes
Yes

President.
Yes
No

 

[Catatonic]

Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

Trump Immigration Ban: Understanding The Real Threat of Terrorism

10 plots and attacks by white people the White House left off its terrorism list

From the last link:

"But a 2015 study by the New America Foundation found that between 9/11 and June 2015, white supremacists and right-wing extremists killed nearly twice as many people (48) on American soil as radical Muslims did (26).

The nonpartisan think tank also noted that every lethal attack inside the United States from 9/11 to 2015 was committed by a citizen or legal resident, throwing water on Trump’s idea that restricting foreign immigration will reduce the risk of terrorism. The administration reportedly plans to deprioritize national security investigations into domestic right-wing extremists, focusing instead on “radical Islamic extremism.”

I don't know - tomato, tomahto.

With one search on Google of "deaths Internal terrorists since 9/11" I was presented with a page full of results that stated the opposite ... what can I say.

Your assertion did not pass the smell test and still doesn't in my mind.

Not to mention relevance to the topic. Internal terrorists were not addressed by this EO.

 

[Catatonic]

President.
Yes
No

I was just being agreeable ... I had no idea what you meant by "Is not what the founding fathers had in mind when this country was created?"
It seemed you wanted a "Yes" ... I am sorry.

 

[Catatonic]

Shouldn't have to? I think the court covered the jurisdiction pretty well.

Sorry ... I don't understand.