Covid-19 Paid Leave (EPL) information

[Boywondr]

The vacation banking MOU allows FTers to take vacation weeks that they have already scheduled and bank them. Essentially making it so that they actually never scheduled the vacation.

Once a FTer does that they can not use that week for vacation and only for if they get sick. If they don't get sick then they will be paid out at the end.

PTers can still use any entitlements that they have not scheduled. I agree it's not right and PTers should have the same chance but to be honest I think it would be dumb to bank vacation anyways. If you get quarantined you get the 10 days. If you get sick you go on disability.


The main point is yes the PTers can use EPL and any entitlements that they have available. They just can't bank previously scheduled vacations.

After the 10 days every employee can use the paid time accrued they have coming, (and will probably be forced to if they file for disability and enact fmla), and then the disability payments kick in. The MOU staffs extra drivers to help the company under the guise of Corona response. It's obvious that it's not about sickness as much as it is about staffing because the vacation pay is already available, out of scheduled order, if any employee gets sick.

 

[542thruNthru]

After the 10 days every employee can use the paid time accrued they have coming, (and will probably be forced to if they file for disability and enact fmla), and then the disability payments kick in. The MOU staffs extra drivers to help the company under the guise of Corona response. It's obvious that it's not about sickness as much as it is about staffing because the vacation pay is already available, out of scheduled order, if any employee gets sick.

Disability to my knowledge doesn't use your entitlements also the covid MOU pays till disability kicks in.. FMLA does use your available vacation time (at least in my state) but you shouldn't be using FMLA at that point if you're sick.

I'm confused what you mean by the vacation time is already available. If you scheduled it, it's not available. Hence the MOU.

I may not be following you correctly or there may be a disconnect because of differing language.

Here we schedule all vacation in January. A driver that scheduled all his vacation now has nothing left over. The MOU allows him to cancel his vacations (from may 23rd till end of year) and bank those hours in case he needs them because of covid19.

I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by this..

because the vacation pay is already available, out of scheduled order, if any employee gets sick.

If its scheduled, you no longer have those hours available. But again I feel like I'm misunderstanding you.

 

[Boywondr]

Read the circled point in the MOU you posted (yes, it's a MOU too, read the heading). Per the CDC reported numbers, the vast majority of full time drivers are not going to get this virus. The second MOU allows you to bank your vacations in case you have to take off work if you get the virus and get paid for them, just as the first one does that you posted. The second MOU allows only full time employees to postpone any or all remaining weeks.

Therefore, since the vast majority of drivers will not be affected (per trending reports) and can work through their vacations, it puts more qualified drivers on the street during the free period when a tremendous amount of businesses will open back up and our system gets crushed trying to pick up and deliver their depleted inventory needs plus many drivers would otherwise be on vacation if not for the second MOU allowing them to work instead.

If it was about employee health and welfare part time employees would be offered the same deal.

 

[Boywondr]

The biggest part I feel is wrong about the second MOU is that it exempts part timers from banking and the second thing is that it doesnt protect part time employees that are in or going into their qualifying period for a full time driving position from being bumped back into part time ranks and/or delayed from gaining full time seniority as they would have had this not been rolled out this way. Just my opinion but it's obvious how this will go.

If a driver is afraid that they'll contract the virus since they're an "essential" employee I would think they'd rather take their scheduled weeks off until this is diminished rather than put themselves out in the general populus and be exposed to it more by working through their vacations.
Must have too many Harleys to pay for.
SMH

 

[Netsua 3:16]

The EPL is parallel with the MOU except the MOU excludes part timers from working thru their vacations.

If, by the EPL's language, ups employees can be paid the 10 days for being quarantined and then be paid out for vacation time etc the MOU does what? Lets full timers (mostly drivers) work their vacations and get paid out after what...? After they get quarantined by the written stipulations or at the end of the year. So what is the difference? The company can staff more seniority drivers this free period, working thru their vacations and pushing back new hires who were ready to start their 30 day driving trial period. I guess they can be vacation replacement all summer? Sounds like a great deal for the company.
No seniority package car driver should be allowed to work their vacations when it will hold up part time employees who were scheduled to begin or are in the process of completing their 30 day trial period. That's not even right imo.

I hate that guys are so willing to work their vacations
Its Not a personal thing, I get that when you’re at top rate you can literally furnish a new living room with a completely extra weeks pay at overtime rate
I just know that it’s ultimately counterproductive to getting more drivers in the building

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I hate that guys are so willing to work their vacations
Its Not a personal thing, I get that when you’re at top rate you can literally furnish a new living room with a completely extra weeks pay at overtime rate
I just know that it’s ultimately counterproductive to getting more drivers in the building

Naw, my sofa cost me at least two weeks' pay. No more crappy, fall-apart furniture for this guy! But, no, I ain't working my vacation. I have plenty of sick bank.

 

[Poop Head]

Why does it only cover full time employees?!

We have part-timers??

 

[zubenelgenubi]

We have part-timers??

It's impossible to tell if you only go off of voting turnout.

 

[got2bh3]

After quarantined by medical personel, then cleared after 5 days and a "negative" test. Can you use the "other" 5 days at a different time? If you are again exposed to a positive person and medically quarantined for a second time?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

After quarantined by medical personel, then cleared after 5 days and a "negative" test. Can you use the "other" 5 days at a different time? If you are again exposed to a positive person and medically quarantined for a second time?

No. You need to stay out of work for the entire 10 days.

 

[got2bh3]

No. You need to stay out of work for the entire 10 days.

So its a use it or lose it situation? Or are you saying you need to be quarantined the whole 10 days to get paid at all?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

So its a use it or lose it situation? Or are you saying you need to be quarantined the whole 10 days to get paid at all?

You are getting paid to sit home for 10 days-----I don't see what the problem is.

 

[got2bh3]

The "problem"is that I'm medically cleared after 5 days and a negative test! All I was asking is if the remaining 5 days can be used at a different quarentine time , if exposed again. I don't see UPS paying for the full 10 days even if negative

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The "problem"is that I'm medically cleared after 5 days and a negative test! All I was asking is if the remaining 5 days can be used at a different quarentine time , if exposed again. I don't see UPS paying for the full 10 days even if negative

YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!

Covid pay is just that-----Covid pay. It is meant to make you whole when you are forced to stay home for reasons beyond your control.

Stay home and relax......work will still be there when your 10 days are up.

 

[got2bh3]

OK!!!!!!!! That was my question!!!!!!!! Did't ask your opinion on other things!!!!!! I'm still not taking your word until I see it officially in writing!!!! Don't know how your so sure it cant be split if I get quarentined on two different occasions. You just seem like an A-hole with strong opinions. Will wait for more reliable response, from someone that is understanding the situation and answering logically.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

OK!!!!!!!! That was my question!!!!!!!! Did't ask your opinion on other things!!!!!! I'm still not taking your word until I see it officially in writing!!!! Don't know how your so sure it cant be split if I get quarentined on two different occasions. You just seem like an A-hole with strong opinions. Will wait for more reliable response, from someone that is understanding the situation and answering logically.

I get what you are asking. My understanding is that if you qualify for the Covid pay, you need to stay home the entire period. But, since the policy was made before testing was widely available, you might be able to use a negative test result as a reason to return to work.

I had wondered that sort of thing myself. Let's say you were quarantined for exposure, but never actually had it, come back to work, catch it later, can you apply for the pay again? My guess would be no, and you would need to use up any sick time, or file for FMLA if you qualify.

 

[got2bh3]

I get what you are asking. My understanding is that if you qualify for the Covid pay, you need to stay home the entire period. But, since the policy was made before testing was widely available, you might be able to use a negative test result as a reason to return to work.

I had wondered that sort of thing myself. Let's say you were quarantined for exposure, but never actually had it, come back to work, catch it later, can you apply for the pay again? My guess would be no, and you would need to use up any sick time, or file for FMLA if you qualify.

Yeah, those are my exact thoughts and is my situation. Since the testing changed I was wonder If anyone on here has been through this exact situation and jumped through all the hoops to get an “official” answer. You may be correct. If they are just sticking with the original agreement that would make sense. I just don’t know if the company would agree to pay an extra week off if the negative test. And if the union would allow the whole 2 weeks to be “forfeited” if only 1 week were used

 

[Trump2020]

Here's my dilemma. I was quarantined while on vacation and then returned to work after the 10days. They paid 5 days obviously no double dipping. 3 days back to work and I'm receiving a phone call from Ups Nurse saying I'm was named in contact with Covid Postive employee. Quarantine again. She submitted my info and it was denied. Covid leave only allowed once and I didnt even use the full 10 days of pay because half was vacation. Cant apply for Short term because I'll only be out 7days and that kicks in after the initial 7days. Company tells me I cant goto work and now I dont get paid either. What a crock if SH**t. Union president contacted and he is working to figure it out.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Here's my dilemma. I was quarantined while on vacation and then returned to work after the 10days. They paid 5 days obviously no double dipping. 3 days back to work and I'm receiving a phone call from Ups Nurse saying I'm was named in contact with Covid Postive employee. Quarantine again. She submitted my info and it was denied. Covid leave only allowed once and I didnt even use the full 10 days of pay because half was vacation. Cant apply for Short term because I'll only be out 7days and that kicks in after the initial 7days. Company tells me I cant goto work and now I dont get paid either. What a crock if SH**t. Union president contacted and he is working to figure it out.

Keep us informed when you find out more. Good luck.

 

[BrownMonk]

Bullet points 1&3 of the USPers.com are the first part of #1 on the MOU. Bullet point 2 is #2 on the MOU. No difference in the interpretation.