Sleeve, there were other things that affected that decision. The very fact of his witnessed response to additional training was key to the findings. And anytime the company can include verifiable insubordination charges, the main thrust of your defense is hurting.
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I will try to explain in small words.
I see your condescension treatment has failed. Time to take some more meds......
Imagine what "our world" would be like without Keter. Keter keeps us in check
Wow, people, Socks has stated something that most managers would never admit. Keter keeps management in check. That is, management will not ask or permit hourly workers, or other management for that matter, to do things that are unsafe and against the law. Without keter, who knows what would happen. After all, what was it that cost UPS 3 million and the promise to spend millions more for keter?
and makes safety important to us.
Yup. Until it cost millions in fines, safety was always second to everything else, especially the production of profit at all costs. You admit that as well. Thats good, we are progressing.
Keter is there to keep OSHA away.
Oh, so you are able to pay off keter to avoid OSHA from auditing the buildings?
Also some of the Keter stuff differs from OSHA regulations to make the company a safer place. Like everything else it's about $ at UPS and Keter helps us prevent injuries that cost money.
Really, how does keter stuff make our workplace better than OSHA?
Why do we have Keter?
You already covered that. We have keter because they force you to attempt to keep a safe work place.
Without them who would you go to for safety concerns?
Again, you answered the question. Not UPS, thats for sure. Without keter, UPS managers and sups could do whatever they wanted, right? After all, that is what you posted. They force you to promote safety.
Their wouldn't be a safety committee. The Union? They just want your dues, they don't care about your safety or well being.
Really? But we are supposed to trust the company that had to be forced into OSHA compliance?
We didn't get Keter because we couldn't stay in compliance with OSHA guidelines, we hired Keter because OSHA's guidelines weren't good enough to keep our employees safe
Wait, but before you posted that keter keeps you in check and makes safety important to you. But before keter, it wasn't, right? And the only thing that brought about keter was millions in fines, and additional millions more if the violations continued.....And you want us to believe UPS cared about our safety before this?
Well if the union guys don't like it they could always quit, oh that's right they probably can't get a job anywhere else so they better learn the stuff. Well since I am experienced with Keter I will shed some light on this subject
Again with the condescending attitude.
FIRST of all... Some of the questions on a Keter audit needs to be retained knowledge.
Yup, some of it does. Like stay off moving belts. If its leaking, treat as a Hazmat, dont touch, leave area, notify. And wear your seat belts. Things like this should be known. But the verbatim stuff passing around now is pretty much worth what?
A good management person should be able to tell you what parts need to be memorized, however for the more compicated stuff, a management person can print out laminated cards that the driver and/or employees can't keep with them, and when they are asked a question that they do not know they can pull their little cards out of their pockets and use it to help with the answer.
Really? The lawsuit that Sleeve posted stated that UPS refused to accommodate their employee with a card. So why should we believe your version of what a good management person should or should not do?
Keter understands the lack of education our union workforce has and permits the use of "cheater" cards.
Really? Maybe the uneducated Socks might want to check with his managers about the use of cheater cards.
However because it is close to Christmas I will give another bit of knowledge. An employee can be fired if they demonstrate no effort to try to answer safety questions.
Well, something we can agree on. If the person refuses to make an effort, yes, you would be able to fire him. Problem is that the person would have to be very stupid to allow you enough proof to fire them for it.
A building/center will do in house audits to prepare for Keter. They are typically documented very well. A person that continues to not be able to answer certain questions could be disciplined.
Now here you go again. First you say that the employee makes no effort, now you say its answer based? Nope, you are wrong.
Especially if these matters are being explain to the employee on company time.
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Socks, I have seen many instances of where the designated responder has responded to a Hazmat leaking without any concern for proper equipment or procedures. And it was under the direction of management. I had one leaking on road. They instructed me to remove the leaking package and throw it into the dumpster after removing the labels, and when I refused, to leave it at the dock of one of my customers, and continue with my route.
I told them the package car is where it will be when the responder gets there, with the door locked, and me outside of the package car.
45 minutes later, the designated responder shows up in his personal vehicle, and places the leaker on a "carry all" device that was shoved into the hitch tube on his car. Did not use gloves, or any other device to keep from being contaminated. And did not protect the public from fumes or liquid leaking from package, as he drove the 45 minutes back to the center.
So see, while you do a tremendous amount of chest beating on how UPS cares about safety, its things like this that prove without OSHA, UPS would have carte blanc to do as you wished, in the chase for the last cent of profit. And with what you have posted in the past, you would be one of the worst offenders.
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