Don't Leave The Union....

[Time for change]

Hey dummy, try negotiating your own contract with no Union. You are either a union buster or one clueless idiot.

Well considering part timers walking off the street are getting 300 show up bonus plus their wage and making more than senior part timers....remind me how the union negotiated that superior pay?

 

[LagunaBrown]

I’ve been with the company a fairly long time, when I was new I had no clue I was even in a union and what it meant. Union people standing outside the building telling new hires who to vote for in state elections but never did that for the contract. An increase of 30k voting was incredible and the % was no reason to ram it through. That argument is invalid.

Your dont know and shouldn’t be giving anyone advise.

 

[Time for change]

Raises that are less than 02 contract. Seems we are in good enough economy that we would have better raises 16 years later. You legitimately did well for yourself with special needs.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Well considering part timers walking off the street are getting 300 show up bonus plus their wage and making more than senior part timers....remind me how the union negotiated that superior pay?

The money goes to the premium jobs or you are taking money from them on the back end. Part Timers get healthcare and pension til they get enough seniority to go full time where the money is at. If you take away from Full Time raises to give to Part Time employees you would be lowering the cap of top rate. I am sure then you would complain when you made less as a Full Time driver.

 

[Time for change]

If it’s so crappy why are you leaving the Union but staying with the company? We all know you are just a freeloader expecting the same protection from the Union for free. It’s a good job or why would you even stay? Your arguments are pathetic! Just quit and good luck finding something better you little drama queen.

Haven’t stopped paying dues yet, and I still believe there is hope this contract fails. But I simply won’t allow this contract to pass as is and allow myself to pay dues. Thousands of others have the same line in the sand. I’m happy it gets you worked up, I know that means we are doing the right thing and it will be effective.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Haven’t stopped paying dues yet, and I still believe there is hope this contract fails. But I simply won’t allow this contract to pass as is and allow myself to pay dues. Thousands of others have the same line in the sand. I’m happy it gets you worked up, I know that means we are doing the right thing and it will be effective.

STFU scab. Just get organize and get 12,000 more votes out of a pool of 100,000 that didn’t even vote.

 

[Time for change]

STFU scab. Just get organize and get 1200 more votes.

Okay sweetie, your broken English is kind of cute.

 

[Time for change]

Great! Go be an English professor then and get out of the Union.

Go be a politician and change the RTW laws so you can actually tell me such things. Until then, I’ll make that choice for myself. Okay Sport?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Laguna seems to be a little worked up lol.

Clearly the number of people threatening to withdraw is putting pressure on them.

 

[Trailer monkey]

Go be a politician and change the RTW laws so you can actually tell me such things. Until then, I’ll make that choice for myself. Okay Sport?

BS, you are just using this as an excuse to freeload

 

[Backlasher]

I'll reiterate that. The No voter's pushed for the part timers. There simply just wasn't enough of us. Maybe it would of been different if the 50% or 2/3rd rule was well known there's no denying that we know that rule now. Hard lesson but let's learn from it. It's the best we can do thus far.

 

[Backlasher]

Maybe the threat to withdrawal might put pressure on the Union, but the Union can't change the 50% or 2/3rd split. There are 2 parties involved and both would have to agree to it. The Union and UPS. People don't seem to realize this is an actual contractual rule between 2 parties, not just the Union. It's to late to blame someone for allowing the rule. It's already been written long before this "bargain" contract began negotiating.

 

[Mr.Blonde]

Sounds more like the members don't give a ---- about the Union.

Ya until they get told theyre not doing their job fast enough because of all that standing around theyre doing. Only when it’s convenient for them.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

, but the Union can't change the 50% or 2/3rd split. There are 2 parties involved and both would have to agree to it. The Union and UPS. People don't seem to realize this is an actual contractual rule between 2 parties, not just the Union. It's to late to blame someone for allowing the rule. It's already been written long before this "bargain" contract began negotiating.

None of this is true.

 

[Backlasher]

Says who? You. Does anybody even read the whole contract and agreed rules to negotiations.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Says who? You. Does anybody even read the whole contract and agreed rules to negotiations.

The contract and the IBT Constitution are two different things.

 

[Backlasher]

Dude, the contract is between 2 parties. Do you know contracting. You can't have a contract with yourself. A contract is an agreement between 2 parties. For example, i have a landscape business on the side. I contract with a customer. The contract is a written agreement between business and client. In this case, it's a contract agreement between UPS and the Union. ImI not trying to be a prick, only trying to clarify with you what it is. Google contracting. The negotiations between UPS and the Union is a written contract with lawyers involved and rules, etc regulations to insure both parties are in agreement.

 

[Backlasher]

The constiConsti is constructed in agreement between the two parties as well. You don't just make up what ever you want to in a constitution without the other side agreeing to it. Why would a 2nd party allow the other to draw up a constitution as they see fit and change it as or whenever they feel like it. Then we as a Union could just make up rules on any occasion to manipulate the structure of the negotiation. It doesn't work that way and no 2 parties would ever be crazy enough to allow it.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

The constiConsti is constructed in agreement between the two parties as well. You don't just make up what ever you want to in a constitution without the other side agreeing to it. Why would a 2nd party allow the other to draw up a constitution as they see fit and change it as or whenever they feel like it. Then we as a Union could just make up rules on any occasion to manipulate the structure of the negotiation. It doesn't work that way and no 2 parties would ever be crazy enough to allow it.

UPS doesn't have any say in the IBT Constitution. I don't know what your crazy rant is about but you need to lay off the sauce.

 

[Inthegame]

Says who? You. Does anybody even read the whole contract and agreed rules to negotiations.

Yes, but obviously, not you.

The contract and the IBT Constitution are two different things.

Yep.

The constiConsti is constructed in agreement between the two parties as well.

Not even close to factual.
The IBT Constitution is written by delegates to the IBT Convention and amended by majority vote of those elected delegates every five years.
UPS or any other company under contract with the IBT has no say in anything in the IBT Constitution.