Elon Musk Exposes the Hatred of Free Speech

[BigGuy2732]

The alphabet mafia does not believe in free-speech what are you talking about? If you say you disagree with them they try to cancel you. Freedom of speech is speech that is dangerous allowed on both sides, and ignored by those who don’t agree with it, not stifled or censored.

Yes, they do, until they get enough power to silence people. Free speech was strategy for the left. It’s quite clear that there is a siege going on, and you, the besieged, are the last to know.

 

[tadpole]

Yes, they do, until they get enough power to silence people. Free speech was strategy for the left. It’s quite clear that there is a siege going on, and you, the besieged, are the last to know.

I feel like I strongly disagree with your position, but maybe that's because I don't really understand your position.

You mentioned that there is an objective right and wrong, and that when we got away from that, we started having problems. As a Christian, I can understand that perspective.

However, I am thankful for freedom of speech, because without it, I would have to hope that whoever is in power agrees with me. And I certainly couldn't criticize the leaders, or I'd be punished. Without the freedom of speech, we are susceptible to propaganda, and the insistence that the truth is a lie.

Just like the right to bear arms, and the rest of the constitution, freedom of speech is there to protect us from tyrannical government.

But since we're talking about privately controlled free speech - they still have a way of punishing us - Banning you from their platform. Propaganda gets to go unchecked, and it influences public opinion. If people are freely allowed to discuss everything, then the truth can be called the truth. The drawback is that people will still come to wrong conclusions, believe lies, and say hurtful, harmful things.

 

[BigGuy2732]

I feel like I strongly disagree with your position, but maybe that's because I don't really understand your position.

You mentioned that there is an objective right and wrong, and that when we got away from that, we started having problems. As a Christian, I can understand that perspective.

However, I am thankful for freedom of speech, because without it, I would have to hope that whoever is in power agrees with me. And I certainly couldn't criticize the leaders, or I'd be punished. Without the freedom of speech, we are susceptible to propaganda, and the insistence that the truth is a lie.

Just like the right to bear arms, and the rest of the constitution, freedom of speech is there to protect us from tyrannical government.

But since we're talking about privately controlled free speech - they still have a way of punishing us - Banning you from their platform. Propaganda gets to go unchecked, and it influences public opinion. If people are freely allowed to discuss everything, then the truth can be called the truth. The drawback is that people will still come to wrong conclusions, believe lies, and say hurtful, harmful things.

I used to think just like you, that free speech was emblematic of a good, fair society. I have now come to understand that freedom of speech is promotion of error. It’s Good Friday so I will not speak of the public blasphemies people have done to Christ, but I’m sure you know a couple. This goes unpunished. They get to live as if there are no consequences for their actions. Where is our charity? We discipline our children because we love them, and the same should apply here. The state does nothing because it endorses it, especially now. They are going to burn in hell for all of eternity, and not a single person ever did anything for them to realize the seriousness of their crimes. Christians cannot condone this. Public blasphemy is protected under freedom of speech. God gives you freedom so that you might use your freedom to love and serve Him. The state should be in conformity to God’s will and should submit to the church in faith and morals.

The point is, freedom of speech doesn’t exist anymore. The left hate you and they want to kill you. I supported it once too, but this is a spiritual battle being waged of good and evil that has been raging since the beginning. We either silence them or they silence us.

 

[UnionStrong]

I used to think just like you, that free speech was emblematic of a good, fair society. I have now come to understand that freedom of speech is promotion of error. It’s Good Friday so I will not speak of the public blasphemies people have done to Christ, but I’m sure you know a couple. This goes unpunished. They get to live as if there are no consequences for their actions. Where is our charity? We discipline our children because we love them, and the same should apply here. The state does nothing because it endorses it, especially now. They are going to burn in hell for all of eternity, and not a single person ever did anything for them to realize the seriousness of their crimes. Christians cannot condone this. Public blasphemy is protected under freedom of speech. God gives you freedom so that you might use your freedom to love and serve Him. The state should be in conformity to God’s will and should submit to the church in faith and morals.

The point is, freedom of speech doesn’t exist anymore. The left hate you and they want to kill you. I supported it once too, but this is a spiritual battle being waged of good and evil that has been raging since the beginning. We either silence them or they silence us.

Fortunately, we don’t live in a theocracy. We live in a Constitutional Republic where free speech is protected. It is under attack from the left because their ideas are so ludicrous and insane, they can’t be defended. Any published dissent is a threat to their lunacy.
We need more free speech not less. And by the way, the 1st amendment is there not to protect speech you like and agree with, but to protect what you don’t agree with.

 

[tadpole]

I used to think just like you, that free speech was emblematic of a good, fair society. I have now come to understand that freedom of speech is promotion of error. It’s Good Friday so I will not speak of the public blasphemies people have done to Christ, but I’m sure you know a couple. This goes unpunished. They get to live as if there are no consequences for their actions. Where is our charity? We discipline our children because we love them, and the same should apply here. The state does nothing because it endorses it, especially now. They are going to burn in hell for all of eternity, and not a single person ever did anything for them to realize the seriousness of their crimes. Christians cannot condone this. Public blasphemy is protected under freedom of speech. God gives you freedom so that you might use your freedom to love and serve Him. The state should be in conformity to God’s will and should submit to the church in faith and morals.

The point is, freedom of speech doesn’t exist anymore. The left hate you and they want to kill you. I supported it once too, but this is a spiritual battle being waged of good and evil that has been raging since the beginning. We either silence them or they silence us.

I think I understand this idea a little better now. Sometimes it does feel like the left hates me and people like me, especially after listening to the news. I don't know about all the shadowy elites, but I still feel like the average leftie has good intentions and doesn't want harm towards anyone.

God gives us free will and instructs us to love and forgive our neighbor. I know it says he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. I don't really understand that idea. I imagine that if Jesus walked the earth today, he would be ministering to blasphemers (but I could be wrong about that).

Anyhow, I'm curious if you have an opinion on a solution to this. A civil war or revolution? Would you prefer a king or bishop be in charge of the government?

 

[BigGuy2732]

I think I understand this idea a little better now. Sometimes it does feel like the left hates me and people like me, especially after listening to the news. I don't know about all the shadowy elites, but I still feel like the average leftie has good intentions and doesn't want harm towards anyone.

God gives us free will and instructs us to love and forgive our neighbor. I know it says he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. I don't really understand that idea. I imagine that if Jesus walked the earth today, he would be ministering to blasphemers (but I could be wrong about that).

Anyhow, I'm curious if you have an opinion on a solution to this. A civil war or revolution? Would you prefer a king or bishop be in charge of the government?

Avg lefty thinks sodomy is good to teach your children. They aren’t killing them in some revolutionary fashion… they’re doing worse, leading them towards a life of sin that leads ultimately to hell. It’s a slow boil. I would prefer the Spanish civil war route where we just fight it out but it became clear that the mode for them is to infiltrate all institutions and put their people in power to bring about some sort of society they’ve envisioned in their minds.

Christ today WOULD be the blasphemer, as the state religion is His entire morality flipped upside down. What Christ preaches is antithetical to the modern world. Christ loved sinners, but not blasphemers. He chased the money changers out of the temple. It’s one thing to sin and another to directly challenge and mock God. There was a famous Catholic Saint who lived the live of a degenerate, fathered children with the harlots of the town, was a boozehound. He was picked up by the Protestant guard of the Netherlands and was told to deny transubstantiation(The bread and wine miraculously transforming into the literal Body and Blood of Christ) and when he refused, they had him drawn and quartered. His last words were, “fornicater, i always was. Heretic, I am not.” That is who Christ came to save, and now he’s in Heaven enjoying his eternal reward.

To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is often misunderstood, all it means is to die rejecting God’s sacrifice as your means of salvation.

The remedy to our governmental woes has to happen organically, but I believe that nature trends towards the order in which it was created. Monarchical and hierarchical. People naturally want Kings. It’s why they existed. It provides the most qualified to rule in their proper office. I know this is hard for Americans to accept since we are a nation formed of rebels, but obedience to kings and queens required a lot less than what people think. You hardly knew them, and your locality was much more of the focus. Things weren’t perfect in the olden days but it wasn’t because of the systems. I would like to see todays tech with those times governments and social hierarchy. So it’s probably going to have to start with a military general who realizes that the republic is dead and that all of the enemies of it are the ones that rule it. He’s going to take things into his own hands and it’ll go from there. Franco brought back the royal family in Spain, so I’d probably think something similar to that, except granted actual power and not just for show.

 

[UnionStrong]

Avg lefty thinks sodomy is good to teach your children. They aren’t killing them in some revolutionary fashion… they’re doing worse, leading them towards a life of sin that leads ultimately to hell. It’s a slow boil. I would prefer the Spanish civil war route where we just fight it out but it became clear that the mode for them is to infiltrate all institutions and put their people in power to bring about some sort of society they’ve envisioned in their minds.

Christ today WOULD be the blasphemer, as the state religion is His entire morality flipped upside down. What Christ preaches is antithetical to the modern world. Christ loved sinners, but not blasphemers. He chased the money changers out of the temple. It’s one thing to sin and another to directly challenge and mock God. There was a famous Catholic Saint who lived the live of a degenerate, fathered children with the harlots of the town, was a boozehound. He was picked up by the Protestant guard of the Netherlands and was told to deny transubstantiation(The bread and wine miraculously transforming into the literal Body and Blood of Christ) and when he refused, they had him drawn and quartered. His last words were, “fornicater, i always was. Heretic, I am not.” That is who Christ came to save, and now he’s in Heaven enjoying his eternal reward.

To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is often misunderstood, all it means is to die rejecting God’s sacrifice as your means of salvation.

The remedy to our governmental woes has to happen organically, but I believe that nature trends towards the order in which it was created. Monarchical and hierarchical. People naturally want Kings. It’s why they existed. It provides the most qualified to rule in their proper office. I know this is hard for Americans to accept since we are a nation formed of rebels, but obedience to kings and queens required a lot less than what people think. You hardly knew them, and your locality was much more of the focus. Things weren’t perfect in the olden days but it wasn’t because of the systems. I would like to see todays tech with those times governments and social hierarchy. So it’s probably going to have to start with a military general who realizes that the republic is dead and that all of the enemies of it are the ones that rule it. He’s going to take things into his own hands and it’ll go from there. Franco brought back the royal family in Spain, so I’d probably think something similar to that, except granted actual power and not just for show.

Transubstantiation…..Lol

 

[TearsInRain]

How did freedom of speech slow the progress of cultural rot. That makes no sense. Freedom of speech was only allowed because our civilization has thrown off objective morality. There cannot be freedom of error tolerated in a nation that believes in objective morality. Morality isn’t relative. The alphabet mafia are all going to hell and they’re taking your children with them because of “freedom of speech.” The pornographers advanced their poison with freedom of speech. Prominent atheists advanced their causes with freedom of speech protections. Freedom of speech sucks, and would never be tolerated by any serious nation.

freedom of speech is much much more than the current identity politics culture war

you misunderstand what freedom of speech is supposed to accomplish anyways; freedom of speech doesn't create a left or right wing government, that's determined by the culture of the people
freedom of speech keeps that culture from turning into a corrupt monarchy or communist gulag by a rapid accumulation of power

the things you're describing are real, but they're because our culture was infiltrated and subverted by other cultures, NOT because of the freedom to speak within our original culture

 

[zubenelgenubi]

freedom of speech is much much more than the current identity politics culture war

you misunderstand what freedom of speech is supposed to accomplish anyways; freedom of speech doesn't create a left or right wing government, that's determined by the culture of the people
freedom of speech keeps that culture from turning into a corrupt monarchy or communist gulag by a rapid accumulation of power

the things you're describing are real, but they're because our culture was infiltrated and subverted by other cultures, NOT because of the freedom to speak within our original culture

Freedom is tricky, those cultures could only infiltrate ours because they could leverage our freedom against us. They use language manipulation to lie, then hide behind freedom of speech. It's up to each of us to be eternally vigilant against the tyranny of lies.

 

[BigGuy2732]

freedom of speech is much much more than the current identity politics culture war

you misunderstand what freedom of speech is supposed to accomplish anyways; freedom of speech doesn't create a left or right wing government, that's determined by the culture of the people
freedom of speech keeps that culture from turning into a corrupt monarchy or communist gulag by a rapid accumulation of power

the things you're describing are real, but they're because our culture was infiltrated and subverted by other cultures, NOT because of the freedom to speak within our original culture

Monarchies take a long time to develop. That’s the difference between them and the other inferior governments. They’re natural solutions to natural problems. Instead of thousands upon thousands of tyrants in our government, you get one, and he can be influenced by good, or influenced by bad. But it’s 50/50. There is no virtue in democracy on a national scale, it just always leads to tyranny of the political elite as they insert their subjects into the offices and unless you’re one of them, and take their money and have sex on their prostitute islands, you’re SOL. I don’t disagree with democracy used in small samples though, for example workers in America should have much more of a say in the companies they work for and conditions and pay.

Freedom of speech would always allow an infiltration because the left can weaponize it so effectively, and they do this by using wealthy donors to stack the courts and always rule in their favor. The best bulwark to these freaks was the Catholic League. Hollywood used to have to call us if they wanted to make a film. I could tolerate some sort of freedom of speech with major protections for traditional society hallmarks like Christianity, patriarchy, etc. but not what it looks like now. And the remedy for now is not more free speech. We need to do our own infiltrating and radicalize others into the reactionary mindset, so we can breed minds that think like we do and want to subjugate the left as the left wants to subjugate us. In the words of one of my favorite emcees, there’s a war goin on outside that no man is safe from…

It’s silence or be silenced. The left isn’t playing any games. They want you dead, your children raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.

 

[tadpole]

Monarchies take a long time to develop. That’s the difference between them and the other inferior governments. They’re natural solutions to natural problems. Instead of thousands upon thousands of tyrants in our government, you get one, and he can be influenced by good, or influenced by bad. But it’s 50/50. There is no virtue in democracy on a national scale, it just always leads to tyranny of the political elite as they insert their subjects into the offices and unless you’re one of them, and take their money and have sex on their prostitute islands, you’re SOL. I don’t disagree with democracy used in small samples though, for example workers in America should have much more of a say in the companies they work for and conditions and pay.

Freedom of speech would always allow an infiltration because the left can weaponize it so effectively, and they do this by using wealthy donors to stack the courts and always rule in their favor. The best bulwark to these freaks was the Catholic League. Hollywood used to have to call us if they wanted to make a film. I could tolerate some sort of freedom of speech with major protections for traditional society hallmarks like Christianity, patriarchy, etc. but not what it looks like now. And the remedy for now is not more free speech. We need to do our own infiltrating and radicalize others into the reactionary mindset, so we can breed minds that think like we do and want to subjugate the left as the left wants to subjugate us. In the words of one of my favorite emcees, there’s a war goin on outside that no man is safe from…

It’s silence or be silenced. The left isn’t playing any games. They want you dead, your children raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.

I feel like you are an undercover FBI agent trying to see if you can find crazy people before they kill people.

 

[BrownFlush]

To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit is often misunderstood, all it means is to die rejecting God’s sacrifice as your means of salvation.

Nope. Not even close....
Matt.12.... They had said that Jesus was casting out demons by the power of "Beelzebub" (the Devil). If they persisted in this contention and in the light of all the evidence became convinced that the power exercised was of God, but nevertheless was still evil because it worked through Christ, who they hated and refused to accept, then they would become guilty of the sin of blaspheme against the HS.
They would be charging the Holy Spirit with being a devil or being equivalent to the Devil. They were simply denying that the Holy Spirit had anything to do with Christ's miracles.

 

[The big package]

How did freedom of speech slow the progress of cultural rot. That makes no sense. Freedom of speech was only allowed because our civilization has thrown off objective morality. There cannot be freedom of error tolerated in a nation that believes in objective morality. Morality isn’t relative. The alphabet mafia are all going to hell and they’re taking your children with them because of “freedom of speech.” The pornographers advanced their poison with freedom of speech. Prominent atheists advanced their causes with freedom of speech protections. Freedom of speech sucks, and would never be tolerated by any serious nation.

Who would be the moderator of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable . A Politician ? Some crazy head case leftist millennial teacher in a classroom ? WHO

 

[The big package]

Just the idea of a group of people putting the kibosh on somebody's thought or idea or belief is just so communistic to me . Maybe I just don't understand . But what I'm watching over in China with people getting pulled from their homes and getting beat up in the streets or locked in their homes and not being allowed out could easily happen here if people are not willing to stand up for freedom !!!

 

[BigGuy2732]

I feel like you are an undercover FBI agent trying to see if you can find crazy people before they kill people.

Hahaha. Feds always advocate for violence, that’s usually how you can tell one. My method is completely non violent. Just have babies and spread the Gospel.

 

[BigGuy2732]

Who would be the moderator of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable . A Politician ? Some crazy head case leftist millennial teacher in a classroom ? WHO

The Church and the State in harmony and conformity to God’s will. The church not being over the state but the state also submitting to the church on faith and morals. Ultimately strong local communities and then groomed rulers at the top who can make the best decisions for the entirety of the kingdom.

 

[BrownFlush]

The Church and the State in harmony and conformity to God’s will. The church not being over the state but the state also submitting to the church on faith and morals. Ultimately strong local communities and then groomed rulers at the top who can make the best decisions for the entirety of the kingdom.

Separation of church and state taught for the novice.....
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.'' -Luke 20:25

 

[retiredTxfeeder]

lol

 

[BigGuy2732]

Separation of church and state taught for the novice.....
He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.'' -Luke 20:25

Yeah, no Christian thought that that verse meant separation of church and state until late 1700s, if at all. After all, our founding fathers were mostly Christ deniers and anti Christian. The Catholic Church has always condemned this idea as false.

 

[BrownFlush]

Yeah, no Christian thought that that verse meant separation of church and state until late 1700s, if at all. After all, our founding fathers were mostly Christ deniers and anti Christian. The Catholic Church has always condemned this idea as false.

I'd respond, but I'm chocking on real flesh and blood after a some priest told my cousin how much it would cost her to get her husband out of purgatory.