FBI Raids Mar-a-lago

[newfie]

Nap has been butthurt ever since Trump didn't give him a job.

and often proved himself wrong on issues.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

again,you dont bother to disprove the facts I am presenting.

All you have presented are stupid BlueAnon conspiracy theories.

 

[newfie]

All you have presented are stupid BlueAnon conspiracy theories.

he makes a great cultist. Cult leader gave him Judge Nap today and now he sounds like he wants to have Naps baby.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

I probably should have told you from the start the classification status didnt matter

Well you couldn't have, because your stupid narratives change on a daily basis whenever you're proven wrong. Today is no different.

 

[oldngray]

you are in dire need of more education,and I hope you enjoy being educated as much as I enjoy educating you: In the redacted affidavit The FBI clearly stated they felt there was probable cause to suspect NDI was at the premises. Again.like it love it or hate it it is ILLEGAL to possess National Defense Information outside of a government controlled facility regardless of Classification.
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I am shocked nobody here but myself picked up on the fact that it is Illegal to possess NDI outside of a Government Controlled facility. The mere possession of SCI (Secret Compartmented Information) and NDI ( National Defense Information) regardless of Classified or Declassified is criminal,and is covered in the Espionage Act. To obstruct the DOJ and FBI from retrieving this information and then LYING about having it is illegal and called Obstruction

Also Trump stepped on his dick when he declared that he had already declassissified these documents,as that showed he admitted possession.

you cant seem to understand that the mere possession of many of these documents is illegal. Also had Trump actually turned over the documents when asked and not lied about when pressed the raid wouldnt have happened.

I think he wanted the raid to happen as he is back in the spotlight "no publicity is bad publicity" thinking since he claims the documents are declassified all would be well........................he needs a better legal team lol

again,you dont bother to disprove the facts I am presenting. I knew that was asking too much for you. I think anything above a hearty Lets Go Brandon is just more than you can handle

no ,it;s illegal to have NDI and SCI documents outside of a Federal Facility. It doesent matter if they are classified or not. I probably should have told you from the start the classification status didnt matter but it is great fun seeing the ignorance you spout about the Classification process

oh boy more education for you!!!! I'm saying the Presidential Records Act states these documents are not his property ,rather they are the property of the USA and must be stored in a secure Federal Facility designated by the NARA.

Judge Napolitano feels there is more than enough evidence to indict and probably convict.

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and for those of you who disagree with my statement in give you this
Andrew Napolitano: "Under the law, it doesn’t matter if the documents on which NDI is contained are classified or not, as it is simply criminal to have NDI in a non-federal facility, to have those without security clearances, and to keep it from the feds when they are seeking it"

@newfie @DriveInDriveOut I DO hope you enjoy being educated as much as i DEARLY love educating you

Judge Andrew P. Napolitano is a graduate of Princeton University and the University of Notre Dame Law School. He is the youngest life-tenured Superior Court judge in the history of the State of New Jersey. He sat on the bench from 1987 to 1995, when he presided over more than 150 jury trials and thousands of motions, sentencings, and hearings.

Judge Napolitano taught constitutional law and jurisprudence at Delaware Law School for one and half years and at Seton Hall Law School for 11 years, and at Brooklyn Law School for four years. He was often chosen by the students as their most outstanding professor.
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[DriveInDriѵeOut]

in it's request for a Special Master to oversee the investigation Trump stated that the Special Master whoever is appointed must have special security clearance in order to view classified documents. LOL.

Are you lying or ignorant?

 

[newolddude]

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

the documents were illegally obtained

You're suggesting someone at the government services administration who packed the boxes should go to jail?

You people go so far down the rabbit hole of your own stupid conspiracy theories you can't even see the obvious ways they fall apart

 

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and yet you cannot disprove what i am saying. Stupid is as Stupid does

 

[Re-Raise]

and yet you cannot disprove what i am saying. Stupid is as Stupid does

I give you credit for the effort

But they are literally too stupid to argue with!

Just laugh at them!

 

[newfie]

But here's the funny part. Trump claimed that he declassified the documents located. But, in it's request for a Special Master to oversee the investigation Trump stated that the Special Master whoever is appointed must have special security clearance in order to view classified documents. LOL.

old debunked talking point.

the motion filed by Trumps lawyers clearly states that they were trying to preserve attorney/client privileged documents and did not want the FBI to view them.

the DOJ's counter motion argued that there was no need for a special master since their "taint" team had already viewed all documents.

your cult leader will then point out the request included a special master with a high level security clearance. That move was clearly to counter a possible argument by the DOJ that those documents were classified which in reality still has to be argued in court. so rather than allow the DOJ another opportunity to put up another road block you ask for a special master with the appropriate classification rights.

at some point the classification argument comes down to did trump declassify everything he took too maralago.

to win that argument the DOJ will have to have the person who has a higher declassification authority than the president to dispute trump.
constitutionally that person does not exist. The president is the man . the god of declassification.

 

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thats the crux of this argument that will someday be decided in a court of law probably at the supreme court level.
the right says the presidential records act confirms the presidents right to retain those documents.
the left in this case , (not in the case of Obama) says it does not.

lefts position is every president but trump has those rights.

hahaha more education! This has been decided LONG ago I present you you United Staes vs Nixon
Judgment:

The Supreme Court of the United States affirmed the district court’s decision to deny the President’s motion to quash the subpoena.


Reasoning:

The Court held that the presidential privilege is not absolute. The presidential privilege for confidential communications that do not concern the military, diplomacy or sensitive national security secrets may be rebutted as a result of the constitutional requirement to produce all relevant evidence in criminal cases. The Court stated that a general claim of presidential privilege based on public interest in confidentiality will not overcome the interest of justice in producing all evidence that is relevant.

Here, the President fails to base his claim of privilege on military, diplomacy, or national security. The Court determined that the confidentiality claim is a generalized presidential privilege and that type of claim does not outweigh the interests of justice.

Significance:


This case outlined that the presidential privilege is not absolute in nature. The privilege does not extend to confidential communications that constitute relevant evidence in a criminal proceeding.

 

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I give you credit for the effort

But they are literally too stupid to argue with!

Just laugh at them!

i like rubbing their faces in their own feces

 

[oldngray]

and yet you cannot disprove what i am saying. Stupid is as Stupid does

You ignore every time you are proven wrong and just go back to parroting the same falsehoods over and over.

 

[newfie]

and yet you cannot disprove what i am saying. Stupid is as Stupid does

As usual when you cant disprove a point you hurl insults lol

 

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you're going to listen to a low level judge tell you about constitutional law?

Low level judge? HAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA <breathe> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA<breathe>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAA
and you call me stupid lol

 

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You ignore every time you are proven wrong and just go back to parroting the same falsehoods over and over.

I have yet to be proven wrong,sorry but stupid memes arent proof.
Ok for fun: prove to me the facts that i presented about the possession of NCI are wrong. If i'm wrong that should be open and shut to prove, lets see what you got

 

[newfie]

hahaha more education! This has been decided LONG ago I present you you United Staes vs Nixon
Judgment:

The Supreme Court of the United States affirmed the district court’s decision to deny the President’s motion to quash the subpoena.


Reasoning:

The Court held that the presidential privilege is not absolute. The presidential privilege for confidential communications that do not concern the military, diplomacy or sensitive national security secrets may be rebutted as a result of the constitutional requirement to produce all relevant evidence in criminal cases. The Court stated that a general claim of presidential privilege based on public interest in confidentiality will not overcome the interest of justice in producing all evidence that is relevant.

Here, the President fails to base his claim of privilege on military, diplomacy, or national security. The Court determined that the confidentiality claim is a generalized presidential privilege and that type of claim does not outweigh the interests of justice.

Significance:


This case outlined that the presidential privilege is not absolute in nature. The privilege does not extend to confidential communications that constitute relevant evidence in a criminal proceeding.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.

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[oldngray]

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.

18 Individuals Now Collecting Petitions for Tennessee's 5th Congressional District - Tennessee Star

Eighteen individuals are now collecting petitions for Tennessee's 5th Congressional District race as of Friday, March 4.

tennesseestar.com

That doesn't count as proof. To him.

 

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@newfie learn how to quote lol,do i need to educate you on that?
and yes old boy i have proven my point every step of the way. I cant help if you cant grasp the facts I present.